Suggestions for high end Springer?

I shattered my right wrist on a practice day at the local mx track. I now have a 7 in. plate and 14 screws inside with limited range of motion. I find stocks with a more upright grip to be more comfortable. My Diana 75,Gen 2 Marauder,KRAL Puncher Breaker and LGU fit me best,so a thumbhole stock would be Great. The HW97 in thumbhole configuration Really looks as though it would like to have me as an owner!

ahnlaashock said:

Not even difficult to do with the right pellet for whatever rifle you have. I have done so with everything from unmodified tool truck guns to a 34, an R7, an R8, a Gamo 220,and now with a Trail NP. 

I always say ragged hole to head off this exact comment.

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You know what they say, "If you don't have pictures, it didn't happen."

I linked a place where you can post your pictures with the other folks who have said the same thing you are saying. One or two have made it look easy but many, who thought they could, have not. If it isn't difficult, you should be able to shoot two or three of those ten dimes targets perfectly in an afternoon. Otherwise, maybe, just maybe, the comment didn't need "heading off".

intenseaty22 said:

BUT at 30 yards a 1/2 inch single hole is very possible.

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Possible, yes. It is very possible; however, it is not common, or easy.

We are talking about spring rifles here? I'm willing to bet that at 30 yards you can not shoot three five shot groups in a row with a spring rifle with all five shots actually touching outdoors, let alone shoot a perfect ten dimes target.

It is always the same thing, it is easy to do, until you actually are required to DO it. So as I said to another poster. I linked a place where you can hang your target with the rest of us who have imagined that it was easy to shoot "one ragged hole" at 25 yards. The truth is almost NOBODY can repeatedly shoot one raged hole at 25 yards out doors with a spring rifle.

This kind of chatter leads the noob to believe in unicorns, then he gets frustrated and wonders why he can't do something that "everyone else" is saying is easy.

It is not easy.

So, no one said easy. I said POSSIBLE, CAPABLE. I have never posted a shot group that I have not genuinely shot myself. I always shoot outdoors, usually at 30 yards. I posted my groups to the 10c challenge btw. 

There is nothing that I would love more than to hang out and do some shooting together. Albeit, I can’t leave home too far or too often, but, if you are anywhere near GA, “Mi casa es su casa” come on down and we get us some IPAs and do some 30 yarders. 

Otherwise, I will try to take that challenge up sometime soon and post my results, good or bad. ( 3 x 5 shot groups) 

intenseaty22 said:

So, no one said easy. I said POSSIBLE, CAPABLE. I have never posted a shot group that I have not genuinely shot myself. I always shoot outdoors, usually at 30 yards. I posted my groups to the 10c challenge btw. 

There is nothing that I would love more than to hang out and do some shooting together. Albeit, I can’t leave home too far or too often, but, if you are anywhere near GA, “Mi casa es su casa” come on down and we get us some IPAs and do some 30 yarders. 

Otherwise, I will try to take that challenge up sometime soon and post my results, good or bad. ( 3 x 5 shot groups) 

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That's true, you didn't say it was easy. I conflated the post after yours with yours. My bad on that. The joke about it not happening if there ain't pictures is a hang over from a different forum where it is commonly made, as exactly that, a joke or friendly jibe.

Alas, I'd like to take you up on that offer but GA is a bit out of my range unless I am on the way to FL to visit family. That doesn't happen often. Thanks though for the kindness.

I'd like to see those groups though because I always enjoy seeing someone shoot well and I have no doubt that you can and do.

I guess my sensitivity to this particular topic stems from seeing it repeated dozens and dozens of times on the forums "my <fill in the blank> shoots one hole groups at <fill in the blank> yards". Then along comes the poor fellow who just bought his $150 springer last week. He is shooting a ten dollar tin of pellets. And he is beside himself because he can't hold a group smaller than a quarter at 25 yards. He is convinced his gun isn't worth what he paid for it. His pellets are crap and the shooting Gods have turned against him. The post after that is from some guy who has been shooting for a year. He advises noob to go out and spend six hundred bucks on this or that magnum springer "'cause it's a tack driver, every pellet goes in the same hole". So noob goes out and drops a few hundred bucks more on a medium to high end springer and he is again disappointed because he can't shoot one hole groups with it either... So someone convinces him he needs to just get a PCP and be done with it "'cause those springers just won't shoot" and we have come full circle.

.The truth is pretty much anyone CAN shoot dime sized groups consistently at 25 yards if they have a good rifle, tuned well, good pellets sized for the gun, good conditions and they practice a lot but it ain't easy. That statement right there is the truth about shooting small groups at 25 yards with a spring air rifle. The original poster specified My goal is 1/4″ CTC groups at 25 yards and 1″ or so at 50 yards.

That is an unrealistic expectation for any current spring rifle other than some of the finest target rifles that have ever been built.

When I was researching the LGV, AG5643 was one of the guys that gave me a lot of information and feedback on it. I swear he shot some really really tight groups with that gun, easily 1/4". I actually have to work for my 1/2"ers as I shake like a leaf in Kansas when I'm shooting. But, the LGV is very capable at 30 yards, shooting on the bench (read BBQ table) on a sandbag, taking my time. I have a 12fpe Vortek kit in it and it is tame as can be. I also have a nice scope on it, which helps. 

I hope to have a little time to myself this Summer and will try to see if I can take it out to the power lines and do some 50 yard shooting to see what it does at that distance. 

Happy Shooting. 



Christian

HW97STL from Krale is a bargain for about $400 to your door. Nickel finish with poly thumb hole stock. You can get it in black if you dont want nickel. That setup is front heavy but several ounces of lead inside the butt balances it out pretty good. They also have a 97k with a wood thumb hole stock but it's about $100 more. The standard 97k is great also
The Walther LGU is available in a poly thumbhole stock also. 
I am biased toward underlever guns. The Air Arms, Weihrauch and Walter are all top notch in my book. All are on the heavy side. Some say the AA Pro Sport is easier to handle for off hand shooting. That's the one I do not have any trigger time with. 

Friend, I don't care in the slightest if you believe anything I say. It never happened.

Who I am is a known thing by some who post here, and there is a whole thread filled with pictures exactly as I described here on the site already in this forum I don't have anything to prove.

I only joined to tell folks that there is a pellet out there that will make my Trail NP shoot one ragged hole half inch spread at 30 yards. With most pellets, a quarter sized group at 25 yards is doing good out of my Trail. There are few pellets it will shoot that well with. The Ruger/Umarex Superpoints end up in a jumbled pile at 30 yards out of the Trail using the 3 x 9 Centerpoint scope that came with it. With better optics, 1 inch at 50 yards should be no problem at all.

I came here because of the guy with a Walmart gun that has never been real accurate, to report that I had found an accurate pellet for mine.

Clue. If you want to purchase a hundred pounds of crosman junkers and other parts, I will make up a couple of boxes.

Friend, I don't care in the slightest if you believe anything I say. It never happened.

Fair enough. I believe you THINK you can shoot a half inch group nearly every time with your NP and your favored pellet at 25 yards. I did not intend to impune your integrity.

Who I am is a known thing by some who post here, and there is a whole thread filled with pictures exactly as I described here on the site already in this forum I don't have anything to prove.

I looked for that thread, maybe you could link it? I always enjoy seeing someone shoot well. Seeing a target paper full of half inch groups shot with an NP at 25 yards would be very enjoyable.

I only joined to tell folks that there is a pellet out there that will make my Trail NP shoot one ragged hole half inch spread at 30 yards. With most pellets, a quarter sized group at 25 yards is doing good out of my Trail. There are few pellets it will shoot that well with. The Ruger/Umarex Superpoints end up in a jumbled pile at 30 yards out of the Trail using the 3 x 9 Centerpoint scope that came with it. With better optics, 1 inch at 50 yards should be no problem at all.

If there ain't pictures, I'm going to have to take that with a grain of salt. I'm sure you don't mind me doubting the probability of it.

I came here because of the guy with a Walmart gun that has never been real accurate, to report that I had found an accurate pellet for mine.

That was nice of you. I read the thread. A shooter with your experience surely knows that there is no certainty that a pellet which shoots well in your NP will shoot as well in my NP, but these things do follow trends. There surely is a better chance that that same pellet will shoot well in someone else's NP than a random pick off the shelf.

Clue. If you want to purchase a hundred pounds of crosman junkers and other parts, I will make up a couple of boxes.

I'll take all the clue I can get. But I'll pass on the crossman junkers and parts. I'm principally a springer shooter and I tend to favor European rifles. Thanks for the offer though.

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I have a HW97K and LGU. Both are sub 12 FPE and both were purchased from Krale-Schietsport. I shoot field target. I can shoot and knock down a field target at the following distances and put a pellet through the sized kill zone holes. 

25 yards with 1/2” hole. 

45 yards with 1” hole.

55 yards with 1-1/2” hole.

75 yards with 2-1/4” paddle (bonus target)

All shot from a seated position not from a bench. I can do it most of the time but not all the time. It all depends how much wind and how steady I am when I am shooting.

.The truth is pretty much anyone CAN shoot dime sized groups consistently at 25 yards if they have a good rifle, tuned well, good pellets sized for the gun, good conditions and they practice a lot but it ain't easy. That statement right there is the truth about shooting small groups at 25 yards with a spring air rifle. The original poster specified My goal is 1/4″ CTC groups at 25 yards and 1″ or so at 50 yards.

That is an unrealistic expectation for any current spring rifle other than some of the finest target rifles that have ever been built.

Sure 1/4" is tight at 25, but 1" at 50 is very doable.

How many people on this thread shoot FT? 

Make it 1/2" at 25 and 1-1/4" at 5-0 yards and yes most folks I've shot with would place 5 in a dime pretty much every time. 

My wife hates springers ( indeed) and likely has less than 200 shots taken ever with one yet could grab a TX and shoot 1" at 50 .

It can be done even with vibration.



John



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I'm only thinking decent springers & not something that should be in a truck sale.

oldspook

intenseaty22 said:

BUT at 30 yards a 1/2 inch single hole is very possible.

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Possible, yes. It is very possible; however, it is not common, or easy.

We are talking about spring rifles here? I'm willing to bet that at 30 yards you can not shoot three five shot groups in a row with a spring rifle with all five shots actually touching outdoors, let alone shoot a perfect ten dimes target.

It is always the same thing, it is easy to do, until you actually are required to DO it. So as I said to another poster. I linked a place where you can hang your target with the rest of us who have imagined that it was easy to shoot "one ragged hole" at 25 yards. The truth is almost NOBODY can repeatedly shoot one raged hole at 25 yards out doors with a spring rifle.

This kind of chatter leads the noob to believe in unicorns, then he gets frustrated and wonders why he can't do something that "everyone else" is saying is easy.

It is not easy.

Hmmm... I might just have to take you up on that bet. 

As far as which springer, it’s my opinion you can’t really go wrong with an LGV or LGU. Both shoulder and shoot well. I’ve owned a very nice TX200 as well and it is also a lovely rifle. I sold it though shortly after tuning it. I still own my LGV, and LGU. 

and back to the suggestion for high end springers LGV/ LGU - HW 97K seem to be winning the recommendations ...

At 35 yards I usually get a cluster and 1 - 3 off target that I messed up on with my D48, D460 or D350.

That is like saying the JSB shoots good out of the Marauder Pistol, but you should not tell people about it, since their Marauder might not like them. That is called rationalization in an attempt to support what you believe. Not actual fact checking or discussion of facts. It attempts to obfuscate facts, not reveal truth or fact, in support of what you believe to be true. Someone bumped the thread with all of the pictures you might want right here in this forum. . .

I have an HW-97 in .177. Its box stock. No tune. I have had it for a few years but haven't put the first tin of pellets through it yet. I own 5 higher end PCPs that seem to get shot much more while the springer collects dust. But I'm making an effort to change that. I plan to take it to EBR this year and have started running some JSB Exact 8.44 gr through it. I am finding accuracy difficult to achieve so far. I will get 4 or 5 in a ragged hole and then one will fly out in left field for no reason I can identify. I have also found the H&N Hunter pellets grouping better than the JSBs. They are almost 2 gr. heavier. That makes me torn about what to do about EBR. Should I spring for another springer in .22 (strictly for the BC) and compete with that at 50 yds or save a grand and shoot this .177 in that notorious breeze? Do I really want another springer? This airgun passion is a damned affliction!

Danny I can't say about a 97 but my 34 shoots JSB 10.34 Heavies well and H&N Baracuda Match 10.65 very well. If you want to try them I can send you some of each.