Suggestions for a 2nd PCP rifle, for lower power and quieter than my .25

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If I lived in AZ, specially near AoA, I would walk in there and shoot, then buy the nicest .22 Wolverine HR I could afford. In your case any newer model Daystate that speaks to you. Great build, beautiful looks, fantastic barrels, 5 year warranty. And a DS compressor.
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intenseaty22... I'm about 45-50 minute drive from AoA. Which is awesome! Daystates more reliable than FX, generally? AoA does warranty Daystate repairs on site?

As I've been devouring YouTube videos and forum posts trying to learn as much as I can, I've come to view the side lever action as probably something that I would appreciate. The bolt action on my Bantam requires a fair bit of (slightly awkward) effort to cycle the cocking mechanism. Not that I can't handle that... it's just that having a smoother, lighter operating cocking mechanism would be something I think I would really enjoy having. The latest Wolverine R has a side lever cocking mechanism, which I think I'd like! And a Huma regulator. Nice!

I am wondering if the Wolverine will be more trouble-free than a Streamline may be? Or, if I start right out with installing a Huma reg in the Streamline, whether I may head off FX regulator problems before they even begin?

As for the DS compressor... I'd love to have one but, that will have to wait. Someday it will happen!

In the meantime I have an Omega 100cf tank and I can deal with getting it refilled from time to time. I think I will buy a second tank so I can use one for general fill and the other to top off at higher pressure.
 
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I can only tell you what my personal experience has thought me. That is, buy from the most reputable dealer that is closer to you, unless you know how to fix your own gun. So, I buy Kalibrguns from Georgia Airguns because I am just under 1.5 hrs drive away, and they are great guns. 

As for trouble free, it is an easy choice for me. 45 mins drive to the dealer on a gun that has 5 years warranty. I don’t care how good FX are, I would buy the Daystate. Now, if I lived in NC, I would buy the FX even if the forums had mixed reviews. Follow? 

And frankly, most guns will be sold in a short while after you buy it for different reasons. So, buy the gun that appeals most to you, if it doesn’t work out, or a new flavor comes out, or you just want to try a different one, sell it for a loss and call it a rental. Life is short, an airgun is just a toy, it’s really not that crucial. 
 
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I can only tell you what my personal experience has thought me. That is, buy from the most reputable dealer that is closer to you, unless you know how to fix your own gun. So, I buy Kalibrguns from Georgia Airguns because I am just under 1.5 hrs drive away, and they are great guns. 

As for trouble free, it is an easy choice for me. 45 mins drive to the dealer on a gun that has 5 years warranty. I don’t care how good FX are, I would buy the Daystate. Now, if I lived in NC, I would buy the FX even if the forums had mixed reviews. Follow? 

And frankly, most guns will be sold in a short while after you buy it for different reasons. So, buy the gun that appeals most to you, if it doesn’t work out, or a new flavor comes out, or you just want to try a different one, sell it for a loss and call it a rental. Life is short, an airgun is just a toy, it’s really not that crucial.
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Understood. The Daystate that I would want is twice the price of the Streamline. YIKES. But not impossible for me to pull off.

The Wolverine 2 with side cocking lever, Huma regulator, and 480cc carbon fiber bottle is one heck of a rifle. But $2200.... jeez. I could buy two Streamlines for that - one as back up in case the other one needed work. ;-)

The Wolverine 2 makes the Streamline and the Wildcat look like bargains, price wise. Are Daystates just that much better?
 
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I can only tell you what my personal experience has thought me. That is, buy from the most reputable dealer that is closer to you, unless you know how to fix your own gun. So, I buy Kalibrguns from Georgia Airguns because I am just under 1.5 hrs drive away, and they are great guns. 

As for trouble free, it is an easy choice for me. 45 mins drive to the dealer on a gun that has 5 years warranty. I don’t care how good FX are, I would buy the Daystate. Now, if I lived in NC, I would buy the FX even if the forums had mixed reviews. Follow? 

And frankly, most guns will be sold in a short while after you buy it for different reasons. So, buy the gun that appeals most to you, if it doesn’t work out, or a new flavor comes out, or you just want to try a different one, sell it for a loss and call it a rental. Life is short, an airgun is just a toy, it’s really not that crucial.
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Understood. The Daystate that I would want is twice the price of the Streamline. YIKES. But not impossible for me to pull off.

The Wolverine 2 with side cocking lever, Huma regulator, and 480cc carbon fiber bottle is one heck of a rifle. But $2200.... jeez. I could buy two Streamlines for that - one as back up in case the other one needed work. ;-)

The Wolverine 2 makes the Streamline and the Wildcat look like bargains, price wise. Are Daystates just that much better?
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Get the Wolverine R. Do it! Do it!

I was going to recommend the Huntsman Regal XL .22 non-regulated version because it was within your price range and because I have one. Easy to work on. I believe AOA still does the warranty work for Daystates and Brocock.

When you do get the Wolverine R, ask them to see different ones so you could pick your own walnut stock. They are beautiful! I believe they also offer laminate stocks for them. Also ask them to to check if the moderators can be unscrewed.

They should come with a Huggett. Later down the road, if the Hugget doesn't satisfy you, pick up one of Donny's moderators. I believe they also have the Wolverine R HP which is the High Power version in .22cal with the longer barrel and shroud.

Just remember that it will be louder because they are designed to shoot the heavy .22 cal pellets in 25 and 34 grain. They also have the regular Wolverine R in .22 that is shorter and would give you more options shooting different brand pellets and weights. Damn I wish that I lived near AOA!


 
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I can only tell you what my personal experience has thought me. That is, buy from the most reputable dealer that is closer to you, unless you know how to fix your own gun. So, I buy Kalibrguns from Georgia Airguns because I am just under 1.5 hrs drive away, and they are great guns. 

As for trouble free, it is an easy choice for me. 45 mins drive to the dealer on a gun that has 5 years warranty. I don’t care how good FX are, I would buy the Daystate. Now, if I lived in NC, I would buy the FX even if the forums had mixed reviews. Follow? 

And frankly, most guns will be sold in a short while after you buy it for different reasons. So, buy the gun that appeals most to you, if it doesn’t work out, or a new flavor comes out, or you just want to try a different one, sell it for a loss and call it a rental. Life is short, an airgun is just a toy, it’s really not that crucial.
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Understood. The Daystate that I would want is twice the price of the Streamline. YIKES. But not impossible for me to pull off.

The Wolverine 2 with side cocking lever, Huma regulator, and 480cc carbon fiber bottle is one heck of a rifle. But $2200.... jeez. I could buy two Streamlines for that - one as back up in case the other one needed work. ;-)

The Wolverine 2 makes the Streamline and the Wildcat look like bargains, price wise. Are Daystates just that much better?
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Get the Wolverine R. Do it! Do it!

I was going to recommend the Huntsman Regal XL .22 non-regulated version because it was within your price range and because I have one. Easy to work on. I believe AOA still does the warranty work for Daystates and Brocock.

When you do get the Wolverine R, ask them to see different ones so you could pick your own walnut stock. They are beautiful! I believe they also offer laminate stocks for them. Also ask them to to check if the moderators can be unscrewed.

They should come with a Huggett. Later down the road, if the Hugget doesn't satisfy you, pick up one of Donny's moderators. Damn I wish that I lived near AOA!

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Haha! You enabler, you!!! I may very well do just that. But I want to move verrry slowly with this purchase decision. Fortunately, I have a number of powder-burners that I am happy to liquidate to make this purchase seem quite reasonable.
 
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Enabler? Yes, I know ?

On a serious note, take your time and continue to do your research. Like others have said or whoever said it, "It's a great time to be an airgunner". They are only going to come out with newer models to choose from or do revisions on their current models. I usually don't jump on unproven, new models that come out until after all the beta testers put them through the ringer.
 
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Enabler? Yes, I know 
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On a serious note, take your time and continue to do your research. Like others have said or whoever said it, "It's a great time to be an airgunner". They are only going to come out with newer models to choose from or do revisions on their current models. I usually don't jump on unproven, new models that come out until after all the beta testers put them through the ringer.
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Would it be too soon to buy a Wolverine R with the side lever and Huma reg? Or a RedWolf - base model?
 
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Honestly, I haven't seen any issues posted about the Wolverine R but there was either one or two problems with the Redwolf that I've seen posted here. I think mainly accuracy issues but anyone could produce a lemon. It's how much lemons they produce with the same model that matters. Sometimes it's just a bad barrel or quality control that slips. Sometimes it's user error. 
 
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Understood. The Daystate that I would want is twice the price of the Streamline. YIKES. But not impossible for me to pull off.

The Wolverine 2 with side cocking lever, Huma regulator, and 480cc carbon fiber bottle is one heck of a rifle. But $2200.... jeez. I could buy two Streamlines for that - one as back up in case the other one needed work. ;-)

The Wolverine 2 makes the Streamline and the Wildcat look like bargains, price wise. Are Daystates just that much better?
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Here is the thing. I have never owned an FX. I am NOT saying that DS is that much better or trouble free than the FX. There are a lot of happy FX owners. 

What I am suggesting is that you should buy the gun with the nearest dealer to you that is also able to service and honor it’s warranty. 

You are also comparing the APPLES to ORANGES. The Streamline in laminate or maybe walnut ~$1300 compares to the Regal HR. ~ $1300(Yes, I know it’s not a lever) The Wolverine HR compares most with perhaps a Crown ~ $1800.

So, if price was a concern, I (as in me) would buy the Regal HR, if price not an issue, I would get the Wolverine. If I lived where you live. I am not a fan of the new Red Wolf. Although with that warranty and that close to AoA, it would be real tempting (as long as it was a non shiny stock, I don’t care for the red or ultra shiny ones) 

lastly, if you keep out a keen eye, you can find a used rifle at AoA for a great price with full warranty. They use them for reviews and then sell them “Like New in Box”
 
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"buy something that can be serviced locally" ( my made up "" "" )

Times have changed!

Used to be 10+ years before an oring needed replaced on any pre-charged rifle made. My expectations have not changed with the times.

These days I try to pretend they are all the same price

what features do I need/want

which is THE most reliable ( accuracy is presumed and expected)

And as there is nothing really new ( huben comes close to a new assembly idea) in airguns purchase one that "Should" need no work for a decade, shootings the fun part and the only thing I want to do with my airguns.

There are ( practically as nothing is 100% ) reliable airguns in every price range and they are the most fun.



John




 
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That is all great advice John, and a sound perspective. However, times HAVE indeed changed (albeit, to be honest, I am very new to this sport although I did not ge into it till my mid 40s) The fact that your expectations have not changed doesn't mean that things do change. Companies are pumping out larger quantities of fairly complicated rifles, outsourcing parts and trying to reduce costs at all cost. Then there is reality and personal experiences.

My journey has taken me to the point that I fear plucking down $1000 for a gun that developed a problem 2 months later and because I don't know how, or have time to do it myself, have to pony up $100 to ship it cross country because even if the reapair is covered, often times, the shipping is not. It's rather frustrating. This happened to me with the AV booster I bought from PA, the thing was really heavy and costly to ship. They did agree to pay for it, because I made a strong case that an item that new should have not been broken so fast and bear that burden on me.
 
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A lot of high priced guns if you're wanting something for plinking try the Benjamin maxumis accurate right out of the box. I have one and I've put a lot of money in it but all you need is a moderator on the end of the barrel to quiet it down and its so accurate you won't be disappointed. Now you can go crazy with accessories for this gun like i did but the gun is so accurate. The only thing is that its a little hard to load that's the only problem. Think about it under 200.00 a little more if you go with accessories but well worth the money.
 
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I'm at the point where I'm considering a wider range:



Streamline .22 laminate $1300 (might add a Huma regulator right off the bat)

Wildcat .22 synthetic $1300 (might add a Huma regulator right off the bat)

Crown .22 laminate $2000

Wolverine R .22 $2200

The Wildcat (bullpup) is the alternate design among those four, of course. And I think I'd prefer the rifle design of the other three. But the Wildcat would likely be very fun.

I'd prefer to not spend the money for the Crown or Wolverine R (although knowing myself, someday one of these two will come home with me). And I think that they will all be relatively comparable for accuracy. Benefit of Wolverine is local servicing at AoA, which is about 45 minute drive from me. With the FX models, I guess I will need to learn how to replace O-rings so as to avoid trips back to FX USA in North Carolina.

Smart money is probably on the Streamline laminate at $1300. With a simpler design, possibly more reliable than the more complex Wildcat and Crown. But I need to shoot them all at AoA and ask their sage advice.

Use will be target shooting (moderated to keep noise level low) up to 45 yards or so in my back yard. I have no doubt that the Streamline will do this job magnificently and save me a bunch of money. But perhaps the versatility of the Crown would be really nice to have?


 
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Well, looks like you are finally figuring out what you want. If it was my $, I’d buy the WC and the DS Wolverine HR. That way you have a traditional and a bullpup. 

On the bullpup subject. Do check out the Kalibrgun Cricket, Edguns, or the Taipan Veteran. Most folk agree that the Edguns are built like a tank and easy to work on. The Taipans have a cult following. The Crickets are also very accurate guns too. 

My Cricket Mini Carbine is very accurate and has a very consistent regulator. No need to upgrade to a Huma right off the bat. 
 
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Well, looks like you are finally figuring out what you want. If it was my $, I’d buy the WC and the DS Wolverine HR. That way you have a traditional and a bullpup. 

On the bullpup subject. Do check out the Kalibrgun Cricket, Edguns, or the Taipan Veteran. Most folk agree that the Edguns are built like a tank and easy to work on. The Taipans have a cult following. The Crickets are also very accurate guns too. 

My Cricket Mini Carbine is very accurate and has a very consistent regulator. No need to upgrade to a Huma right off the bat.
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Wildcat and Wolverine R would be a great pair! Perhaps I will follow your suggestion? Starting with the Wildcat. Adding the Wolverine R later. I know that my next PCP rifle will not be my last PCP rifle.

I have not given even a moments thought to Cricket, Edguns, or Taipan - I know nothing about them and have never even looked at any of them. I guess I need to expand my horizons!
 
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Oh Boy, now you open up another can of worms.

I have never owned an FX Wildcat, but there are many happy owners out there, as well as some issues with them here and there, but I really can not speak to this. Just make sure it can be serviced by AoA, otherwise you may be shipping it to NC for service. 

Cricket: Just type it in under the search function in the menu bar and start reading. They have a great reputation for reliability and accuracy. I'm attaching my personal's gun post for your reading pleasure. https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/intenseaty22s-g-a-cricket-mini-carbine/

Taipan: Are touted by some as one of the best most accurate and reliable bullpups out there. They have somewhat of a cult following. Their trigger is considered by well known tuners as one of the best in the industry. The Veteran model has an "anti-double loading feature". As above, just hit the Search function. Attached is my personal gun's post. https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/taipan-report/

EDguns: I have never owned one, but have a reputation for being built like a tank and very easy to maintain. They are made in Russia, look him up on Youtube. Local dealer is EDgun West in California I believe. Just hit the search button. 


 
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If you can afford wolverine R I think you should buy it. Have a great gun at first is better than changing several cheaper and waist your money.

I think if you buy wolverine R you will get ride of your bantam. You prefer have nice gun like wolverine in your and instead of other guns and I believe every thing you can do with .25 you can do it with .22 too. That's not like .30 that gives you extra 100 yards.

But I'll give my ranking:

+++++ Wolverine R

++++ Red wolf (It has power adjuster and not spring loaded action but not as reliable as Wolverine R)

++++ Crown and Impact X (you can have .30 and .177 at same gun. But you should upgrade your mechanical expertise)

+++ Edgun matador R5 (long enough to handle, reliable, If AOA won't repair them mines one)

+++ Vulcan tactical (long enough to handle, reliable, If AOA won't repair them mines one)

+++ huntsman with huma reg (I think it's bolt action is heavier than your bantam)

+++ streamline (synthetic one because it costs lower) 

++ wildcat mk2

++ cricket (I had bad days with it)

+ wildcat
 
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