Stressing on 1st PCP

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CK6

Also, don't be afraid to buy a used gun from some of these fine gentlemen on this forum. Three out of my four keepers that I own right now were bought used on these forums. I've had many many guns over the last five years and most of them were bought used or I traded for them.

I can hear Hotel California playing in the background as I type! LOL

Jimmy
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That is good to know. I talked with a friend of mine at work who got me started down this road and told him of the great ideas and advice I've gotten so far from fine folks. 
 
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Two of the best rifles out there DS Regal and the R10 I’d say go for the new Regal it’s regulated and is one hell of a good rifle. The R10 is a true all rounder but as has said before it’s a lottery on buying one. I have been luck with my R10 perfect out of the box and 7 years down the line still spot on. My Regal is again perfect and there is something about it that says buy me shoot me love me,it’s just right to ticks all the boxes.
 
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I've also had a ton of guns over the years. I've had 2 S510's, 2 FX Royals, 2 Cricket carbines, BSA R-10, FX Bobcat, Daystate Wolverine, RAW HM1000x, some I'm forgetting and several spring guns. 

I'm a slight bit out of the loop of late so if the new S510's are in fact regulated I would say you won't go wrong with either gun. I, like most here will never buy another unregulated gun so that would be paramount in my decision if I were doing it again. The S510's are no longer with me simply because of the change in POI over the shot string with the guns having not been regulated at the time. I would be interested to try one of the newer regulated ones. As far as comparing the BSA to the Air Arms......

Previously BSA hands down because of regulator, now if both regulated there are other things to consider:

Accuracy / consistency - Possibly a tie, but BSA is world famous for their hammer forged barrels and I will say you can buy two guns from the same factory and one will be more consistent than another. I've done it a few times. You're kind of on the lottery so to speak when it comes to out of the box consistency across all brands. I believe it has something to do with harmonics which can be tuned / altered after the purchase to make less consistent guns more consistent, I just prefer out of the box consistency. This is also why I believe the unlimited adjustability of the FX line is so appealing. Regardless, for some reason the BSA's hammer forged barrels all seem to come out of the box with great harmonics for whatever reason. Mine in 22 is the only remaining PCP I have left that I am not parting with because of it's uncompromising accuracy and consistency. Next gun will likely be a FX Crown.

Quality / craftsmanship - possibly a tie. Both are very well built. No real weak points that I can think of off hand.

I'm not a fan of the trigger mounted safety on the S-510's. The safety's never posed a problem for me, but it's just an odd design and being able to see the spring that connects to the safety behind the trigger was kind of a turn off for me.

I do prefer the side lever action on the S-510 better than the bolt on the BSA and wish the BSA was a side lever but whatever, that's a nit pick, they both function flawlessly. It just seems more user friendly to operate a side lever without breaking your line of sight through the scope.

Like Fussel, (Hey Fuss, long time!) I do prefer the look of the S-510 because it is not a bottle gun, but I think the stock on the BSA is just a scoshe nicer. At the end of the day, looks aside, (they're both great looking guns) I'm a "substance over beauty" guy so I have the BSA. If the S-510 had been regulated it might be a different story, but also maybe not. BSA put's pellet on pellet pretty darn consistently. Seriously, this is one of those cases where again, if the S-510 is now regulated, you could pick either one and will likely say "I'm glad I made that choice"

For what it's worth I'm only a paper puncher, bench shooter so accuracy / consistency is the top priority when choosing guns so it says a lot that after all of the guns I've owned that the BSA is the only one still around. That being said, I'd love to try a factory regulated S-510, always loved those guns but they couldn't keep up without the reg. (until now?)

All the best with whatever you choose. 

Cliff
 
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Thanks Fuss,

Great to hear from you again also! Been super busy with some projects, looking to find some more time for myself to shoot and chat it up with you fine folks here. 

Well, I guess I'll have to amend my last post. I just went and checked out a couple video reviews of the regulated AA S-510. It appears the regulator was very inefficient on the one in the video. Over 40 ft extreme spread is not great for a regulated gun. Also, I found them selling on Pyramyd Air for $1500. If that is what can be expected from the regulator, and taking into consideration the price, I'd certainly go for the BSA first. I was getting a 40 ft extreme spread out of a non regulated S-510.

Also, for the money, the FX Streamline was not in production back when I was dabbling in that price range but I would most likely get one of those now even over the BSA. Just my .02. I'd be interested to hear from owners of the regulated S-510 about their chrony results. Hopefully the regulator in the video just needs some time to settle in, although it sounds like he'd done quite a bit of hunting with it prior to making the video.

I found the link to a mini review I did on my BSA a couple of years ago. This is how the gun came out of the box, zero tinkering.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/50-shots-with-the-bsa-r-10-mkii-22-pics-mini-review/
 
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I’ve heard a lot of good things about the AA 510.

I just want to by one PCP to try it out Bwaaaahahaha I said that just about 1.5 years ago and ended up with 14 airguns but hey that’s ok I’m down to nine now if you count my Trail NP and my .22 Marauder but don’t worry I have a custom Kral .25 on order now so I’ll be even at 10.

The only stress here is if that package of airgun stuff you really don’t need doesn’t arrive on time, oh and never have less then 3 tins of pellets on hand at all times.



Hope you enjoy your 1st PCP.
 
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I've also had a ton of guns over the years. I've had 2 S510's, 2 FX Royals, 2 Cricket carbines, BSA R-10, FX Bobcat, Daystate Wolverine, RAW HM1000x, some I'm forgetting and several spring guns. 

I'm a slight bit out of the loop of late so if the new S510's are in fact regulated I would say you won't go wrong with either gun. I, like most here will never buy another unregulated gun so that would be paramount in my decision if I were doing it again. The S510's are no longer with me simply because of the change in POI over the shot string with the guns having not been regulated at the time. I would be interested to try one of the newer regulated ones. As far as comparing the BSA to the Air Arms......

Previously BSA hands down because of regulator, now if both regulated there are other things to consider:

Accuracy / consistency - Possibly a tie, but BSA is world famous for their hammer forged barrels and I will say you can buy two guns from the same factory and one will be more consistent than another. I've done it a few times. You're kind of on the lottery so to speak when it comes to out of the box consistency across all brands. I believe it has something to do with harmonics which can be tuned / altered after the purchase to make less consistent guns more consistent, I just prefer out of the box consistency. This is also why I believe the unlimited adjustability of the FX line is so appealing. Regardless, for some reason the BSA's hammer forged barrels all seem to come out of the box with great harmonics for whatever reason. Mine in 22 is the only remaining PCP I have left that I am not parting with because of it's uncompromising accuracy and consistency. Next gun will likely be a FX Crown.

Quality / craftsmanship - possibly a tie. Both are very well built. No real weak points that I can think of off hand.

I'm not a fan of the trigger mounted safety on the S-510's. The safety's never posed a problem for me, but it's just an odd design and being able to see the spring that connects to the safety behind the trigger was kind of a turn off for me.

I do prefer the side lever action on the S-510 better than the bolt on the BSA and wish the BSA was a side lever but whatever, that's a nit pick, they both function flawlessly. It just seems more user friendly to operate a side lever without breaking your line of sight through the scope.

Like Fussel, (Hey Fuss, long time!) I do prefer the look of the S-510 because it is not a bottle gun, but I think the stock on the BSA is just a scoshe nicer. At the end of the day, looks aside, (they're both great looking guns) I'm a "substance over beauty" guy so I have the BSA. If the S-510 had been regulated it might be a different story, but also maybe not. BSA put's pellet on pellet pretty darn consistently. Seriously, this is one of those cases where again, if the S-510 is now regulated, you could pick either one and will likely say "I'm glad I made that choice"

For what it's worth I'm only a paper puncher, bench shooter so accuracy / consistency is the top priority when choosing guns so it says a lot that after all of the guns I've owned that the BSA is the only one still around. That being said, I'd love to try a factory regulated S-510, always loved those guns but they couldn't keep up without the reg. (until now?)

All the best with whatever you choose. 

Cliff
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Hey Cliff, that's great info. Being new to this sport has me wondering alot. Hearing from people with experience really helps out. Thanks
 
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CK6, I dont know if you purchased yet but I will share my experience with two of the guns mentioned so far. I own both the Daystate Regal XL in .22 and the Air Arms S510 Ultimate Sporter .22 with a factory QTec moderator. They are both very high quality guns but very different. The Daystate feels more compact, is lighter, has a shorter and lighter trigger pull and feels more comfortable to me ergonomically. The S510 with sporter stock is bulky, heavier and has a stiffer trigger (which can be adjusted). I also briefly owned the S510 in walnut and it was definitely lighter but still not as light as the Regal. With regard to magazines and actions, I would give a slight edge to the S510. For me, smoother and easier to cock than the regal. 

After putting a few thousand pellets through each, I would say that the regal is more accurate and the S510 is more powerful. With regard to sound levels, on full power, the noise levels are comparable. However, the S510 has adjustable power and on lower settings it is extremely quiet. That is the main reason I purchased the S510. I can turn the power down to about 1/8 and get around 650 fps with 13 grain pellets. Into a rubber mulch trap, it is nearly silent. I mention this because you said you would like to be able to shoot in your backyard. For me and in my environment, I thought the regal was a bit too audible. One other difference I have noted is that my S510 seems to be more picky about pellets and it really hates lead-free pellets. Alloy flyers all over the place. The regal shoots lead-free alloy pellets very accurately.

I know that both guns can now be purchased with regulators, but I really don't see the need in these two models. In my opinion, both provide long and consistent shot strings as they are. Good Luck!
 
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CK6,

I had two of the new factory regulated S510 Ultimate Sporters, both went back due to poor regulator performance. The gun was super nice in every other regard and super accurate as well.....1" at 100yds, and powerful! Long and heavy though, which I didn't mind but be prepared for that if you go this route.

If you're seriously considering this rifle, be sure to do a phone order and demand one that has either been fitted from the factory with a Gen2 regulator and valve OR a first run rifle that has been retrofitted with the Gen2 parts.

You'll want a tank or compressor with this gun, as it has a fairly large air cylinder and fills to 250bar.....not fun with a hand pump.

Good luck!
 
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Hello Skeptic. Boy, talk about luck. I finally got a chance to get back on the forum and didn't realize I had new postings. I thought I was getting email notifications but... I need to check the settings on that. Regardless, sorry for the delay and thank you very much for taking the time to help a newbie out. I haven't pulled the trigger on getting a PCP (see what I did there) 😉 hoping for some seasonal deals like black Friday, etc. It didn't help I needed to put money in fixing things than toys. Bummer.

Thank you for helping and giving me your experiences. Sound information to think about. This is what really concerns me and you really hit it on the head. The feel of the stock, weight, etc. I think all these guns are great - so the reviews say, but without being able to shoulder them makes it hard for me to commit any money. Even buying used puts me in the same position. My concern is getting a good gun only not to like it because of features, size, weight, trigger pull, etc. Hearing from people also helps make the decision easier. I even thought about reaching out to Giles from "Airgun Gear Show" (I like his channel) and a few others to see if they would reply with some tailored advice.
 
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Bob_O, thanks for letting me know. Were these issues recent? If I do end up that way, how can I tell the Gen2 regulator and valve? Were your guns in .177? I mean 1 MOA is freaking fantastic man! I know gunpowder rifles and when I heard from a friend about PCP's and what they can do, I had to get into that. This is great stuff and times we live in when we can push lead by air and get those results. Thanks for sharing Sir!

Carl
 
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