Stormrider Gen II

Diana Stormrider Gen II

Dec. 2019

Purchased a Gen II Stormrider on 18 December 2019 from Pyramid Air. Cost was $199.95. At that time also purchased a Diana/Altaros regulator, a UTG Leapers 3x12x32 Mil/Mil Bugbuster and an additional barrel band. Total cost of ownership was about $330.00. This is not a bad price for a magazine fed, regulated 0.177 Air Rifle and Scope combination.



First thoughts: This gun is well thought out and well designed. The design is mature having been on the market for about two years now. The Gen II version was released more than a year ago. There was a safety issue with the trigger which necessitated a recall of about 1400 units and a new trigger for subsequent units. Basically the bugs should have been worked out by now and first impression confirms that has been done.



Fit and Finish: It looks like and feels like a kids rifle, except that the length of pull is right for an adult. It looks like a $200.00 rifle. If you are right handed you will want the wood stock. The metal bits are finished nicely enough. This is not a $500 rifle BUT if you are getting one for your teenager so that he can get in a little plinking or small game hunting you aren't going to get your feelings hurt if he drops it. It is definitely a hunting man's rifle.



The bolt is a little stiff but that will probably work in. Actually the application of a little silicon grease on the bolt did slick it up some. The single feed pellet tray needs a bigger magnet to hold it more securely in place. I have not used the magazine yet and will address that in a subsequent post.



Trigger: The trigger is a two stage trigger. I don't like it at all. I'll be studying it and if I can figure out a way to make it more predictable I'll post that later. The trigger is spoongy to be honest. First stage is very long and the second stage is like squashing a rubber ball. The only good thing is it is really easy to get a clean release because you have absolutely no idea when the darn thing is going to go off.



The synthetic stock version has a cheek piece for right handed shooters. Vendors should realize that ten percent of the population is left handed but they never seem to make that connection. Here is one of those cases. It would have cost the vendor a few cents per unit more to have made the synthetic stock ambidextrous and that would have had a positive influence on the left handed shooters out there. I believe they would have captured a larger market share and recouped their investment if they had done that. As I am left handed I will testify that, all other things being equal, I am going to buy the rifle with the ambidextrous stock.



Diana says the rifle is a 20 FPE rifle in 0.177 and a 24 FPE rifle in 0.22. It turns out that my rifle is a 26 FPE rifle in 0.177. I suspect the transfer port is calibrated for a middle weight 0.22 pellet as it was a Rabbit Magnum II pellet at 15.74 grains which gave me the following shot profile. The rifle started the string at 200 BAR and ended it at 140 BAR.

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Looking at the above graphs we can see there is a nice string of ten shots (#8 - #17) which give us the following statistics:

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I think that string starts around 185 BAR and ends around 145 BAR on that charge. With my hand pump it took me 20 strokes to get the valve to open and another 90 or 100 strokes to pump the rifle back up to 200 BAR. I would not normally pump this gun up to 200 BAR given that pellet. I would use 190 BAR as my start point. That's not bad for a $200.00 unregulated air gun. The gun, shooting this heavy pellet, was exceptionally quiet. The ping of the hammer and the clank of the pellet hitting the target were much louder than the (non-existent) muzzle report.



That was a very pleasant surprise. I decided I needed to see what the rifle was doing with a moderate weight pellet and shot H&N FTTs (8.64 gr) for the next string. This is what they did:

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The above string was shot starting with a 200 BAR fill and ending with 135 BAR remaining in the tank. The best part of the string also falls between about 185 BAR and 145 BAR. Again I looked for and found a nice string of 10 shots which gave the following statistics:

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A sharp eye will notice that there is a longer string than ten shots which could be used with this pellet. The H&N FTT would give you more like 14 or 15 usable hunting shots but I am cherry picking. This is almost 21 FPE with a moderate weight pellet. The report was slightly louder with this pellet but still back yard friendly. Pyramid Air rates the noise level of the gun as a 2 but I think they have not done it justice. It is very quiet. Regulated it will be silent death for squirrels.



Again that just ain't bad for a $200.00 unregulated air gun. This rifle is doing exactly what the vendor says it will do and a little more.



Before I regulated the rifle I decided to run some Crossman 10.5 grain through the gun. That resulted in the following shot string:

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Cherry picking this pellets data I get a nice ten shot string starting with shot number two and ending at eleven. The following statistics are the result.

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So again we get ten very nice shots from the power plant. This string was like the other two. It started about 190 BAR and ends at about 145 BAR.

What can we tell about the power plant on this rifle from this data? Clearly the rifle likes heavier pellets. If you want unregulated .177 or .22 that will give you ten really good shots, that you can pump with a hand pump, that is quiet (especially with heavy pellets), and that you will not dread carrying to the woods I think this is one of those. This is the rifle you leave behind the door or hang in a rack on the truck specifically because you want to eliminate pests.

I also think the power levels you will see with the .22 version of the rifle will be just about the same with the same weight pellets. Why? Well I can't imagine the maker spending a lot of extra time optimizing the power plant for both calibers they make. If it were me, I'd have optimized for .22 and re-barreled/re-tooled for 0.177. It just makes sense from a cost of manufacturing perspective. What supports that is the fact that my rifle delivered 26 FPE with a pellet that weighed 15.9 grains. That is right in the middle of the spectrum as far as .22 pellets are concerned. Also my rifle delivered just at 21 FPE with a mid range 0.177 pellet. So don't expect the rifle to favor the heaviest pellets in .22. 😁 Anyway 26 FPE is plenty of juice to take small game up to and including racoons, groundhogs or even coyote with head shots at close range.


 
I added a bit to yesterday's post and have data which I will be adding to this post later this evening.

OK lets talk about the regulator.

The regulator is made by Altaros. Just yesterday I was saying that I have never had an issue with an Altaros regulator. I guess that is what I get. I've installed a few Altaros regulators and I have never seen one where the red marking on the adjustment screw was 180 degrees off but this one was. I installed the regulator and set it to 115 BAR. I was getting about 8 FPE, well that did not agree with the instructions. So I took it out and set it to 125 BAR. Well that gave me another two FPE or so. I took it out again and set it to 140 BAR and the rifle was shooting at a little over 12 FPE. That is when the light went on. I pulled it again and set it so that the red part of the regulator screw was pointed 180 degrees from the 125 BAR marking on the regulator body. And the rifle was shooting at about 14 FPE. I removed it one more time and set it to 180 degrees from the 140 BAR marking and the rifle is shooting H&N FTT 8.44 grain pellets at about 930 FPS for 16 plus FPE. Yeah, the red part on my Altaros regulator was 180 degrees off. 😖 But now that I have it figured out I can give you more data. 😉

This is for the H&N FTT 8.44 grain pellet. Twenty five shots. I cherry picked the first 20 and the stats are shown below.



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Cherry picking those first 20 shots we get:

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So we picked up 10 additional shots and have 16 FPE on tap. Twenty shots and an SD under 1%. 😁 I think 30 shots at 12 FPE would be pretty easy to accomplish by just turning the reg down about 20 BAR.

Now we have the Crossman Premiers in at 10.5 grains. Same setting on the regulator and again we see this power plant likes heavy .177s.

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Again the first 20 shots are the best and we get these stats:

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We picked up 2 FPE and still got our 20 shots with an SD below 1%. Not bad.

I installed the extra barrel band this evening. Tomorrow we will be looking at groups (if time permits).

NOTE: When removing the barrel be aware that of the three set screws which must be removed one is longer than the other two and should be kept in the center screw hole because it indexes the barrel to vertical.
 
Today I shot the rifle for groups. I was not very happy to find that the H&N FTTs at 930 fps were shooting only 7 out of 10 shots into an inch at 38 yards. The Crossman Premiers were shooting about the same. So I got out the Rabbit Magnums and they were shooting groups about the size of a saucer at that range.

Backtrack a little here. I added the second barrel band last night. Then this morning I put the rifle on the bench shooting Iron Sights. At 25 yards the first shots were within a couple of inches of zero. Tweaked the rear sight down about 3 inches (1/4 turn, and there are no click stops). That put the ten shot group centered on the bull and the group I shot was about the size of a golf ball. I thought it was me but not so sure at this point. I tried the H&Ns and the Crossman Premiers, neither shot exceptionally well. It would do fine for pesting rats out to 25 yards but I want more.

After that session I took the rifle in and mounted the Leapers UTG 3x12x32 Bug Buster. The scope mounts on the rifle without removing the rear sight IF you don't use the sun shield that comes with it. I wasn't happy with that and so pulled the rear sight and put it in the parts box. Mounting the scope was trivially easy and I would recommend that particular model if someone were looking for something small, light and not too expensive with a mildot reticle. It is a true mil/mil scope even though the turrets are marked in MOA. One click is 1/3 inch at 100 yards. The math will show you that is one CM at 100 meters and that is 1/10 of a mil. So counting clicks still works.

I ran the numbers in Chairgun and got a 1st zero of 15 yards. I went out to the bench and zeroed the rifle at 15 yards. Chairgun said the second zero would be at 38 yards for the H&N FTT. The first shot at 38 yards was dead on for elevation and about one click left for windage then the group fell apart. I put seven shots under a quarter but the last three shots opened the group to the size of a golf ball. I saw the same thing with all the pellets I shot today.

So I pulled the barrel and cleaned it, then lapped it with a few strokes of 800 grit followed by 1500 grit and finally 3000 grit diamond paste. I stoned the mouth of the chamber very lightly to knock off any burrs and taper it a tiny bit. I cleaned it really well again, lubed it and put it to bed for the night.

I'll add a picture of the rifle below, later this evening.

Tomorrow, or some time soon, I will have it out on the bench again and we will see if it can do better than it did today.

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Hey, I had the same issue of the red part of the reg being 180 degrees off! Took me quite a few shot strings to figure it out as well. Funny thing is I bought two regs, one in 22 and one in 177, and the 177 reg was off but the 22 was fine. Here is the 177 shot string now , which I am happy with. Haven't adjusted the 22 yet, just got the reg installed. Based on the starting (non-reg) bell curve, I'd say you are right about them having optimized 22 and just retooled for 177. The 22 bell curve peaks right around 27- 28 fpe shooting 15.89 jsb. Seems like a pretty capable platform. Somewhere I read about someone grinding the end of the reg install rod to be a screwdriver - I did the same and it's a neat trick to avoid having to pull the reg everytime for adjusting it. 

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Hey, I had the same issue of the red part of the reg being 180 degrees off! Took me quite a few shot strings to figure it out as well. Funny thing is I bought two regs, one in 22 and one in 177, and the 177 reg was off but the 22 was fine. Here is the 177 shot string now , which I am happy with. Haven't adjusted the 22 yet, just got the reg installed. Based on the starting (non-reg) bell curve, I'd say you are right about them having optimized 22 and just retooled for 177. The 22 bell curve peaks right around 27- 28 fpe shooting 15.89 jsb. Seems like a pretty capable platform. Somewhere I read about someone grinding the end of the reg install rod to be a screwdriver - I did the same and it's a neat trick to avoid having to pull the reg everytime for adjusting it. 

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Very nice. I just got mine shooting "sort of" ok. Keeps throwing a flier every five or six shots. No idea why.
 
Nice shooting. I bought my PR900w with a 800 fps tune(JSB 8.44's) from Wes at Airgun Archery Fun. It is regulated and has a modified CR600W spring in it. He did a really good job tuning it and am very happy with my gun. At first, accuracy was minute of rat and starling inside the barn (which is what I intended to use the gun for and also as a loaner gun). I found the bolt action to be somewhat sticky b/c the lead was rough as the pellet pushed past the transfer port area. The crown needed some work too so I polished the barrel crown and lead with my dremel. It is amazing what 20 minutes of polishing will do. The action is now super slick and I'm getting really tight groups at 25yards with the with the H&N FTT and JSB 10.34's. I'll post a shooting video of a 9 shot group at 25 yards when I get a break from the festivities...Merry Christmas to you as well!

PS...I'm having so much fun with this gun, I think I've changed my mind about it being a loaner. 
 
Nice shooting. I bought my PR900w with a 800 fps tune(JSB 8.44's) from Wes at Airgun Archery Fun. It is regulated and has a modified CR600W spring in it. He did a really good job tuning it and am very happy with my gun. At first, accuracy was minute of rat and starling inside the barn (which is what I intended to use the gun for and also as a loaner gun). I found the bolt action to be somewhat sticky b/c the lead was rough as the pellet pushed past the transfer port area. The crown needed some work too so I polished the barrel crown and lead with my dremel. It is amazing what 20 minutes of polishing will do. The action is now super slick and I'm getting really tight groups at 25yards with the with the H&N FTT and JSB 10.34's. I'll post a shooting video of a 9 shot group at 25 yards when I get a break from the festivities...Merry Christmas to you as well!

PS...I'm having so much fun with this gun, I think I've changed my mind about it being a loaner.


I may need to do something with the crown on this one. I did not look at it very carefully when I had the moderator apart. Here is another pair of groups shot today. I have again fiddled with the setting on the regulator and managed to get just 30 shots at 16.5 FPE. Given that 9 shot mag that is going to work out nicely. Later in the spring I will order a couple spare mags. Three magazines @9 shots each and back to the pump...

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Nice shooting oldspook!

I forgot my NV adapter at home so I tried taping my NV to my scope so I could film my group shots. It didn't work out so well so I took it off. One thing I forgot to mention, I also put an extra barrel band near the end of the pressure tube. Here's a group from last night. 25 yards. 9 shots. Bushnell rimfire scope at 7x.

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I used valve grinding compound and a brass light light switch knob to polish the crown.

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Great write up and informative. I have a StormRider GenII (.22) and a Umarex Gauntlet (.25). Price point was about $300 each after I added a HUMA reg to mine. I also added a front pressure gauge; since the HUMA reg doesn't make uses of the existing StormRider gauge. Each has different uses and I love my StormRider for backyard pest shooting. It is lightweight and tack sharp for the ranges I'm punching squirrels at. 



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I found the bolt action to be somewhat sticky b/c the lead was rough as the pellet pushed past the transfer port area. The crown needed some work too so I polished the barrel crown and lead with my dremel. It is amazing what 20 minutes of polishing will do.

So I took the moderator off and had a look at the crown ... I don't think the barrel had a crown. I had touched up the lead as I noticed the same thing you did when chambering a pellet. I believe that alone cut my groups in half as it did seem so with two different pellets. Literally 10 seconds with a conical stone and some diamond grit #800 made a lot of difference.

Well when I looked at the crown ... like I said, just a raw metal edge, polished but not crowned. So I touched it up and tomorrow's groups will tell us if that made an improvement. I expect it will. Thanks for making me think about that. I might never have.
 
Great write up and informative. I have a StormRider GenII (.22) and a Umarex Gauntlet (.25). Price point was about $300 each after I added a HUMA reg to mine. I also added a front pressure gauge; since the HUMA reg doesn't make uses of the existing StormRider gauge. Each has different uses and I love my StormRider for backyard pest shooting. It is lightweight and tack sharp for the ranges I'm punching squirrels at.

INSIX,

Nice looking setup. What kind of rings are you using?
 
Hey Oldspook, how did you remove the moderator? I was afraid that it's been epoxied on and haven't tried yet - but I'd like to take a look at the crown on my SRs as well.


On my StormRider .22 Gen 1, I used a small propane torch to heat the setscrew. It is epoxied on so you will have to heat sufficiently to melt the epoxy. You must remove the setscrew completely as there is a groove in the barrel that it fits in. Easy to do, I spent about 5-10 minutes to remove the stock moderator. I hope the Gen 2 moderator is similar in construction.

Machined up an adapter and added a DonnyFL Sumo. Very quiet now. Also made an extra barrel support and cover cap for the charging port. Here is a photo of my airgun.

Oldspook, Man you have done an impressive job on documenting your progress with the StormRider! Will keep following your post to improve what I have. I got a can of abrasive paste to work on my crown and loading breech this weekend.

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Hey Oldspook, how did you remove the moderator? I was afraid that it's been epoxied on and haven't tried yet - but I'd like to take a look at the crown on my SRs as well.


On the Gen II I think the nut that holds the moderator to the barrel is epoxied. As the front sight post is plastic heating it wont work unless you don't care if you destroy it. I wouldn't heat it myself anyway. If you secure the base of the moderator in a vice with some sort of padding, I used leather, and heat the moderator at the first groove in front of the tapered part you will be able to unscrew the moderator. Obviously you will need some sort of padding to handle the metal as it will be hot. Don't heat it to much, just warm it up to about the boiling point of water. You could even heat it by pouring boiling water over it. Don't let any get down the barrel. The moderator and its insides are all aluminum so no worries about the metal but you don't want to damage the finish either. Good luck.

My rifle came with a piece in the parts bag which looked like a fitting to put on the end of the barrel if you wanted to remove the moderator. I have not tried to figure out what it was for because I have not managed to remove the front sight from the barrel.
 
So today I got in an order of a few different kinds of pellets after shooting a few groups with each one the rifle showed that it liked the H&N Barracuda Light at 9.57 grains. So of the pellets it has been shooting it prefers them in this order: H&N Barracuda Light 9.57gr, H&N FTTs 8.64gr, Crossman Premier Heavy 10.5gr, H&N Barracuda 10.64gr and JSB Exact Heavy 10.34gr. The only ones which are "acceptable" as far as I am concerned are the first three and the only one I shot today worthy to talk about were the Barracuda Lights.

I shot five nine shot groups at 36 yards. The average group size for the five groups was 1.16 inches. That's not terrible but still far from what I am after. Using a quarter I could cover 40 of the 45 shots shown on the target. So eight out of nine shots went into quarter at 36 yards. For perspective the top left group just fits under a quarter. Here is a pic of that target:

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It looks like more dremel work is in my future.

I also went ahead with the camo, even though I could not find all the colors I wanted. The end result kind of grows on me so I guess I'll keep this way till a better idea comes along:

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As it is, this is a 40 yard squirrel rifle. It holds 30 shots of air at a very consistent 965 fps for Barracuda Lights. That works out to three magazines at 16 fpe into a group that will stay on a squirrels head at 40 yards. Like I said I had hoped for more but, really that is a lot of bang for $425 when you include the regulator, extra barrel band, and 3x12x32 UTG.

I'm about done here but I will eventually add to the thread. I need to improve the trigger and that is going to take some time and some thought. Once I have that I will add it to the bottom of this thread.

Happy New Year to everyone.


 
Oldspook, 

Have you tried groups without the second barrel band installed ? I've read that some people were having issues with it because the first band can press the barrel downward slightly which means that the second more forward band ends up bending the barrel back upward slightly. Mine didn't have this issue in 177 and I haven't yet installed the second band on my 22. I also haven't tried shooting groups further than 30 yards yet. But several people have mentioned this. Just a thought .