Steyer 110 Experience

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Marmalade,
I have heard that the longer barrels sometimes are not as accurate as the shorter ones. People also talk about nickel plating making its way to the bore and causing problems until it's removed by frequent cleaning. Free floating the barrel also often seems to help 
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for everything you've ever wanted to know about the lg110.
 
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@Marmalade, I'm using a different barrel because of the problems you've mentioned with the original: the cleaning interval is absurd. I also couldn't get it to group as well as the BSA barrel that I've used in it. The BSA likes large head sizes and since JSB produces only 5,47 up to 5,50 these days (while they mention 5.52 and 5.53 on the box?!?) the BSA barrel became a sort of issue. For this reason I went to a CZ barrel, just to try it out. 

I've set up the CZ barrel to shoot at about 270 m/s with JSB Jumbo Heavies. Up to 70 meter it was capable of shooting under 1cm consitently but at longer ranges I had a lot of destabilization. I think I've fixed that issue now but I still have to try that out :) I mainly select my pellets on weight since this has the biggest impact on accuracy at long range, before matches I measure the head sizes too. Before the weighing I clean them and drizzle them in magic formula and let them dry ;)

Regarding the difference in group sizes, it sounds like a hold issue. Maybe you can post some pictures of it, maybe we can see something that might go wrong.

@John_in_Ma, I know that's the reason but I liked to cheer up the topic a little :p


By the way, the Steyr is LOUD at 40 joules. It has a very distinctive sound, if you're used to the sound you can easily pick up/hear if there is a Steyr on the shooting line :p
 
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So that shiny barrel with the carbon is a CZ? I forgot to mention the machining on your custom parts looks great. Props if you do your own work.

When I'm shooting for groups I'm using an Atlas bipod and a sandbag in the rear, and mostly from the prone. I make sure the paralax is perfect, the rifle is level and if I can I try to get a warehouse to eliminate any wind. When it comes to the hold I tried holding it firmly to my shoulder like a PB, letting it sit as freely as I can like a springer to not even touching it but I can't see any patterns emerging that would give me a hint at what is better.
I don't quite understand... you'd like to see pics of how I shoot or the rifle itself? 

Yep, if you have people close enough that you can still call them neighbours, you are going to need a LDC :)
 
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The barrel is a friend of mine his work, in reality it even looks better ;) Even if the barrel wasn't able to hit anything I would still keep it just for the looks XD

With the picture I meant a picture of the groups to find a pattern. But if you can't see a pattern emerging that won't help any further.
Does this happen with sorted pellets or straight from the tin? No air escaping somewhere?
 
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Personally, I found I could have better groups using sandbags rather than a bipod. I'm thinking a bipod can torque the relatively flimsy frame of the lg110. Everything is so tightly integrated in the design that a small rotational stress at the forend can throw things off.

Regarding barrels: with all the crazy and tortuous configurations manufacturers put them to, I've never known a CZ barrel to shoot anyway short of astonishing. 
 
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"scrane"Personally, I found I could have better groups using sandbags rather than a bipod. I'm thinking a bipod can torque the relatively flimsy frame of the lg110. Everything is so tightly integrated in the design that a small rotational stress at the forend can throw things off.
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I don't see where the torque should come from? In spring piston airguns torque is a common issue but in PCPs?

I think the hardest thing in shooting with bipods is doing it right. Sandbags are indeed easier to shoot but I don't find them practical
 
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@broekzwans I don't really sort them yet. I've ordered a Pelletgage and a precise scale so I'll start when they arrive.
I've had air escaping the between the transfer port and bolt when I got the rifle. I've fixed that with a very thin washer. Other that that I don't think so. Are there any specific spots that I should look at?

@scrane I'll try with the sandbags. I get the logic behind what you are saying about the torque. If the bipod is stuck firmly in the ground and you try to get on target I can see that flexing the frame, especially since the bipod is far forward.

I have to recharge my tank wait for the winds to die down since yesterday was a bit breezy at a lovely 162 km/h and give your suggestions a shot - pun intended :D

Where can you buy CZ barrels in the EU? 

 
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@scrane, I was thinking about something else that could cause torque when I wrote my reply, but nevermind.
I think we mean the same thing, the art of using a bipod is using it stress free or with a constant stress. To shoot absolultely accurate it's very important to learn to shoot stress free or, as just mentioned, always shoot with the same stresses. Both are very hard to master but practice makes perfect ;)

@Marmelade, check the o-ring in the bolt that seals the barrel. If there's junk on there it's possible that some air might escape there. However this amount of air won't be large enough to cause a real noticable velocity spread.

I can buy CZ barrels from a few different places, one of them is sureshot airguns in the UK. They sell actual blanks, a lot of other shops only sell AA/CZ 200 barrels.

On the internet I found some more issues at long range (past 70 meters/75 yards) with .22 CZ barrels. All have the same problem. Tonight I'm going to the range to find out if I fixed mine :)
 
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"Marmalade"How's the barrel looking @broekzwans? :)
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It looks like the barrel is much better now! Only had a couple of spiraling pellets now but that could be due to shooting pellets straight from the tin.

Here you can see what the barrel was doing. The top row of pellets where only inserted in the breech end and the bottom row were pushed through the choke...

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"spysir"Thanks for the pictures. Seems a bit tight on the chocke with that one.

John
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The choke was indeed my first thing to blame but it turned out the choke only made it worse. The real problem was the breech end, that part was so tight that it was damaging the pellets. As you can see in my photo it made small cracks in the skirt of the pellet and the choke ripped those cracks open.
 
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The deed is done. I just ordered the Steyr Scout Hunter 5 Auto QF. I also ordered the 1/2 adaptor, an extra magazine (would like to have ordered more but this thing is adding up?), and a Hugget Belita LDC.

My decision was, I think very well informed, mostly by posts and PMs from people here on Airgun Nation. There aren't a lot (if any) video reviews or reviews anywhere on the Scout at least not comparing it and the full size Hunter 5.

I chose the scout because:
- I want to keep the rifle under 40"
- I want to keep the rifle, pre-scope, under 7 pounds
- I think the semi-auto feature is just too cool not to experience. I think the LG110 is very cool looking and it came with the highest recommendations. But the novelty (for me) of the semi-auto sold me.
- The reputation of these rifles (Steyr LG110, Hunter 5, Scout, HFT, etc.) seems to be stellar, even more than the Daystates I've owned. 
- Folks told me not to be too concerned about the report (loudness) even without the LDC but I got the LDC to make sure.
- The trigger is reputed to be superb
- I found a price that was so far below here in the U.S. that it made this more possible. I sold enough stuff I had laying around (unused or duplicative) that I didn't have to take a penny out of the family budget (I call those guilt free purchases). 

I'm hoping the rifle arrives by Wednesday this week, or at least before Saturday. I'll report my experiences. However, my reports are not strenuous evaluations of any air rifle. I have decibel readings on my previous air rifles with LDCs, FPS, FPE, Accuracy, etc. that I can compare this one too. I'd sure like to put one of those Crane custom stocks on it and sling swivels. 
Thanks for all the insight and advice. 
 
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My new Steyr Hunter Scout 5 auto QF arrived Wednesday. Just like folks said here, it took only 3 business days for the rifle to arrive from the Netherlands to Kentucky. Shipping cost was $50. The only two complications in the purchase were: 1. Had to e-mail copy of the info page on my passport. 2. My CC company called to make sure my card wasn't being fraudulently used. 

The gun comes in a plastic case. The case was scratched on the top because the customs folks in Germany sliced open the two layered cardboard box to take a gander. Glad the rifle was in the hard case!

I had to go away soon after receiving the rifle. So, I've only shot 10 pellets from it. I wanted to see what semi-auto firing was like. Pretty cool! I shot it without the LDC and shot with the Belita Huggett attached by 1/2" adaptor. The rifle was louder than any of my shrouded or LDC equipped rifles. It wasn't as loud though as the pellet hitting the metal trap. But when I put the Belita on it was as quiet as any I've shot. Those who said about the same as a .22 short RF were pretty accurate. Although, I need to shoot the gun into my tire rubber bits box to evaluate sound better to take the metal trap slam out of the equation. 

I'll soon scope the rifle (I like the Emerald) with a Hawke that I bought my son. He bought a Hawke Frontier on the classifieds here. I'm also thinking about adding sling studs to the fore and butt end. Maybe a flush QD mount on the fore end and a typical post in the butt? I love the flush mount Dakota Rifle style but I don't know if I want to risk inletting the stock. Speaking of the stock. It was well-figured and the figuring was more "natural" than the Daystates I've owned. What I mean by that is the Daystates sometimes have stocks cut to exaggerate the grain. 

The rifle with the adaptor and Belita is 39.75" long. I love the finger grooved, textured stock!

I am very pleased with the quality of build, sound, and auto feature of the rifle. I'm curious to check FPS on the chronograph with a couple of JSB pellets I have. I'm hoping the 18 grains shoot well. I did learn on the 2nd magazine, the pellets must be seated flush or a jam will result! Oh, a big surprise. I didn't realize the rifle came standard with 3 magazines. I ordered only two extra and now have 5!

Sorry about the absence of pictures. I'll post some when I get home. 

Information provided by folks on this site was most helpful in the making of this decision.
 
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"bowwild"My new Steyr Hunter Scout 5 auto QF arrived Wednesday. Just like folks said here, it took only 3 business days for the rifle to arrive from the Netherlands to Kentucky. Shipping cost was $50. The only two complications in the purchase were: 1. Had to e-mail copy of the info page on my passport. 2. My CC company called to make sure my card wasn't being fraudulently used. 
The gun comes in a plastic case. The case was scratched on the top because the customs folks in Germany sliced open the two layered cardboard box to take a gander. Glad the rifle was in the hard case!
I had to go away soon after receiving the rifle. So, I've only shot 10 pellets from it. I wanted to see what semi-auto firing was like. Pretty cool! I shot it without the LDC and shot with the Belita Huggett attached by 1/2" adaptor. The rifle was louder than any of my shrouded or LDC equipped rifles. It wasn't as loud though as the pellet hitting the metal trap. But when I put the Belita on it was as quiet as any I've shot. Those who said about the same as a .22 short RF were pretty accurate. Although, I need to shoot the gun into my tire rubber bits box to evaluate sound better to take the metal trap slam out of the equation. 
I'll soon scope the rifle (I like the Emerald) with a Hawke that I bought my son. He bought a Hawke Frontier on the classifieds here. I'm also thinking about adding sling studs to the fore and butt end. Maybe a flush QD mount on the fore end and a typical post in the butt? I love the flush mount Dakota Rifle style but I don't know if I want to risk inletting the stock. Speaking of the stock. It was well-figured and the figuring was more "natural" than the Daystates I've owned. What I mean by that is the Daystates sometimes have stocks cut to exaggerate the grain. 
The rifle with the adaptor and Belita is 39.75" long. I love the finger grooved, textured stock!
I am very pleased with the quality of build, sound, and auto feature of the rifle. I'm curious to check FPS on the chronograph with a couple of JSB pellets I have. I'm hoping the 18 grains shoot well. I did learn on the 2nd magazine, the pellets must be seated flush or a jam will result! Oh, a big surprise. I didn't realize the rifle came standard with 3 magazines. I ordered only two extra and now have 5!
Sorry about the absence of pictures. I'll post some when I get home. 
Information provided by folks on this site was most helpful in the making of this decision.
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I knew you were going to love it Roy!! These Steyr's are amazing Olympic quality shooting machines.
sorry to hear about the scratches on your case man, bummer!

BTW, Krale will except your driver's license, you don't need a passport.

On the sling stud install, as we discussed a couple days ago, I like using the QD recessed swivel cups for a totally flush installation. The Dakota unit still has the sling stud sticking up, even though the base is flush.

Lastly, I made a simple pellet depth insertion tool to insure all my pellets are deep enough in the magazine to avoid any jams. I think it could enhance accuracy also because of pellet depth consistency. 
I simply use a 4mm bolt with a nylon locking nut set to the proper depth. I first insert all five pellets, then push them home with the bolt, until the nut makes contact with the mag.

Have fun Roy with your new shooting machine!!!!
 
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