STAGGERING REDWOLF SAFARI! ARE YOU SITTING COMFORTABLY?

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    Spray1Mark
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    Okay so I got my SAFARI on Monday, I planned the gun around the JSB Monster .177 13.43g pellet, I have the .22HP and other .25 & .30 airguns.

    1) I planned to shoot the Monster at 30FPE, boy was I dissapointed when it wouldn't group at all on high and medium curves, 1000FPS+ and 940FPS high/medium.

    2) The .22 Monster seems to shoot better the faster you push it, not the same with the .177 version obviously!

    3) The JSB .177 BEAST is on the nose at 30FPE (AVE 920FPS) lights out at 100 yards, but not the pellet I want to shoot, there is something I don't like about the straight walled pellets, the redesigns just look so much more modern!

    4) So it shoots great on the low power curve with the MONSTER, I was expecting circa 200 shots as with the .22HP shooting the 18g JSB.

    5) Boy was I wrong, 360 SHOTS from 242 BAR to the low pressure warning at 105 BAR, THEN another 30 shots with the same velocity and I ran out of pellets (400 in a tin).

    6) ALL 360 shots were within the 10 ring at 25 yards 6mm from start to end, despite my fast shooting.

    ES over 360 was 9FPS with 300 of those being within 823-826 FPS ABSOLUTELY STAGGERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To shoot sub 20FPE for USA HFT would in theory require a very minor adjustment on the pulse length, imagine the possibilities!

    I will post the pics and exact mean/median/mode etc. tomorrow once the effect of multiple cans of BUD have worn off.

    Amazing, get onto AOA and order a .177 Redwolf Safari with the GCU2.0 board and new battery you won't regret it!

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    Awesome to hear. I know I love my standard red wolf in .177 and it is a laser out at 50 yards. Hope to work my way into a .25 cal Safari very soon for some 100 yard benchrest shooting. 

    Keep up the fine reporting!

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    EdLena
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    Would it help if you knew the Beast has a higher BC than the Monster. It will buck the wind better and hit with more energy. Top bench rest shooters (25m) swear by them.

    I shoot them at 900fps and they're very accurate.

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    Spray1Mark
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    Hi Ed, yes the gun shoots the Beasts very well on the high power setting, 920FPS.

    However I bought the gun to shoot the redesigned Monster and presumed they would shoot at mid 900-s, however they dont.

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    Spray1Mark
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    I am going to map a whole shot string tonight with the Beast and see what the results are, the published figures are 70 shots on HP @ 30FPE.

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    Souhaib
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    360 at 920 with the beast ?

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    Spray1Mark

    I am going to map a whole shot string tonight with the Beast and see what the results are, the published figures are 70 shots on HP @ 30FPE.

    If you're determined to shoot a 950+ fps you can still do it with the Beast if you find a few extra fpe which is always possible. I got 72 fpe out of my original 40 fpe AAs510 .25.

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    Spray1Mark – The new .177 Red Wolf Safari still uses the same barrel as the original .177 Red Wolf? Do you know if that is true or not?

    Tom H. 

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    Souhaib

    360 at 920 with the beast ?

    No it's the 13g Monster on the low power setting.

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    Spray1Mark – The new .177 Red Wolf Safari still uses the same barrel as the original .177 Red Wolf? Do you know if that is true or not?

    Tom H. 

    Hi Tom, if your .177 is the "standard" with 18" or 450mm barrel then no!

    The .177 HP or Safari is a poly barrel same as the .22 HP, not a standard Walther rifling pattern as in the shorter barrels.

    IME the standard barrel shoots better with the lower power and the 8.44g or 10.34g, the poly barrel really shines with high power and heavier pellets.

    This gun WILL NOT shoot the 10.34g JSB at all, even on low power setting, it's just too fast for the pellet, I could of course change the programming to slow the 10.34 down on low power, then it would shoot.

    Where I see this particular gun winning medals is if you reprogram the gun to shoot the 13g Redesigned Monster to 800FPS and stay just below the 20FPE rule you have in the USA, then you would really have an amazing advantage.

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    Anyways ladies and gents, another amazing night at the range, I set up at 25 yards and the gun was filled at 250 bar on the nose!

    A tin of the Beast 16g and a 10 bull target and my chrono and I proceeded to shoot a string!

    AMAZINGLY AGAIN! 138 SHOTS, YES 138 SHOTS at 920 FPS AVERAGE 30FPE and the finally displayed LOW POWER at 143 BAR!

    138 SHOT group shot rapid over the chrono (yes I know its only 25 yards but still)!

    How about that then? 138 FULL POWER shots 30FPE with an ES of 20FPS! pellets straight out the tin.

    I suspect the Beast pellet is not quite as consistent as the Monsters I shot yesterday, they were amazing, I have a couple of different batches of the Beasts so will give some different ones a try over the chrono.

    Again couldn't be happier with this gun, the Daystate literature shows 70 shots at 30FPE, just about half what it can actually do.

    Next to stretch it out to 100 and decide whether to leave it alone or alter the programming slightly!

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    Spray1Mark

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    Spray1Mark – The new .177 Red Wolf Safari still uses the same barrel as the original .177 Red Wolf? Do you know if that is true or not?

    Tom H. 

    Hi Tom, if your .177 is the "standard" with 18" or 450mm barrel then no!

    The .177 HP or Safari is a poly barrel same as the .22 HP, not a standard Walther rifling pattern as in the shorter barrels.

    IME the standard barrel shoots better with the lower power and the 8.44g or 10.34g, the poly barrel really shines with high power and heavier pellets.

    This gun WILL NOT shoot the 10.34g JSB at all, even on low power setting, it's just too fast for the pellet, I could of course change the programming to slow the 10.34 down on low power, then it would shoot.

    Where I see this particular gun winning medals is if you reprogram the gun to shoot the 13g Redesigned Monster to 800FPS and stay just below the 20FPE rule you have in the USA, then you would really have an amazing advantage.

    Mark – Yes my Red Wolf is a standard 18" barrel, which I have tuned to shoot just below the 20 ft-lb limit while using JSB 10.3's. 

    For your rifle, I would expect the 10.3's to shoot better if you slowed them down to the 900 to 910 ft/sec range.  That seems to be the break-over point with my rifle where any faster and accuracy becomes a serious issue, and it also becomes increasing difficult to find pellets which like to be shot at that velocity or higher.  I mean, the rifle will shoot the 10.3's at 930 ft/sec very accurately, but will do so only with select, hard to find pellets.  It ends up being more trouble than it is worth.

    I have been asking only because a new .177 Safari may be in my future for FT competition next year, if the barrel works well at 20 ft-lbs.

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    Hi Tom, what is the maximum range in your competition?

    I could lower the pulse length on the low power curve on the gun to get 900-ish with the 10.34 as you say, then lower the power on the meduim curve to get 900-ish  with the 13.43g

    Then I think I can up the power on the high curve and shoot the Beast at 950 as I am told they will shoot at that velocity no problem.

    Back to your situation, shooting the 13.43 Monster Redesign at 810 surely must be better for wind than the 10.34 in the low 900's? the Monster Redesigned is a serioulsy slick pellet compared to the 10.34 with the old straight wall design!

    You may want to try the 24" poly barrel that is on the new HP fitted to your gun and see what happens, worth measuring the TP in your breech block and barrel and let me know, I can then let you know how it compares with mine.

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    We shoot out to 55 yards in in American FT.

    I have tried numerous different batches of the Monster Redesign 13.43gr pellets and my rifle will not shoot them accurately unless I slow them down to 18 ft-lbs or less.  At those slower speeds they are no better in the wind than the 10.3's, plus I do not like the lobbing trajectory, so it is a no go for my rifle.

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    Spray1Mark
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    I think that is where you will find the poly barrel makes a difference Tom.

    I also have the standard type rifling 18" barrel, too fast and it just seems to strip the pellet, the poly barrel has significantly less choke also.

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    Just so people know and I want to make sure myself….Only the Safari's and High Power (HP) models  come with poly barrels….the standard Red Wolf with the shorter barrel is your standard Lothar Walther barrel correct? Seems to be some confusion about this .

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    Spray1Mark
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    Correct Kdog,

    SAFARI/HP VERSIONS 24" barrels were always poly profile (updated poly profile on the new .25 SAFARI).

    STD VERSIONS 18" barrels were always standard rifling

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    Kdog
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    I have a HP .22 and knew it was a poly barrel but I do know alot of FT guys in the US love their poly barrels in .177 shooting monsters at around 820fps. So although the standard Red Wolf shoots great if they wanted a.poly barrel they would have to order a Safari or HP version of the Red Wolf 

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    Spray1Mark
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    Yes correct, but hey who doesn't want a new gun!

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    Kdog
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    I know someone.that is a monster guy and likes poly barrels as well …just want to.make sure if he decided on a RW that he knew which rifle to order….thankyou Mark I appreciate it.

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