Speaking of .177 what would you......

1/2"-3/8"

3/8"-1/4"

1/4"- one holers



CA

I'm not the best marksman in the world and I sometimes make my Thomas look bad, but these 50 some shots were done consecutively at 50 yds using attached bipod and rear bag. When I can completely cover 10 shots with a dime I'm happy? Don't know what to tell ya about the flyers?

Once in a blue moon can get a phenomenal looking one holer type group!

1", 3/4", 1/2".

If chasdicapua chimes in here he has shot some of the consistently smallest 50yd groups I’ve seen on this forum! Most are .350”... ive shot a few under .300 but not consistently

When looking at 10 Shot groups in .177 at 50 yards with a 20 ft. lb. rifle, what would you consider an

Acceptable Group Size:

Good Group Size:

Downright Freaking Amazing (still must be possible) Group Size:

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Downright Freaking Amazing 1/4" to one holers at 50 yards 10 shot groups-

You must have never shot a MAC1 USFT Hunter or a Daystate Air Wolf with Heli Board or an Anshutz 2002 which had been gone through and fully modified by Allen Zasadny and a Kaliburgun Cricket or a rare find such as a Taipan Mutant in 177.

Based on real world honest reviews based on facts not fluff...



CA

I'm not the best marksman in the world and I sometimes make my Thomas look bad, but these 50 some shots were done consecutively at 50 yds using attached bipod and rear bag. When I can completely cover 10 shots with a dime I'm happy? Don't know what to tell ya about the flyers?

Once in a blue moon can get a phenomenal looking one holer type group!

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My groups are a bit tighter but one of my Thomas rifles, the shorty version seems to have an oversized leade if you recall my question about it a while back. The 10.3s and Monsters seem to do fine in mine so far.' But mine is set up shooting significantly lower than 20fpe so it must be fine I guess and hadn't tried to bump the power up yet. I would have listed the Thomas in my comment but it is not set at 20fpe among other guns I did not bother to mention since they are not shooting at 20fpe but are fully capable of doing it at 50.

My other full sized Thomas is at full power but hadn't gotten around to shooting it so I can't accurately comment on that in regards to its accuracy. Been in the shop for some customization.



CA

CA

Wow, must be nice to own more than one Thomas. You must have your's set up for 12 fpe, for field target maybe?

Like I say, I'm a poor excuse for a marksman, and don't give the Thomas it's due. The gun is way more accurate than I am capable of shooting. Not to mention the way the wind swirls into my back yard here at CampFussell.

I'm better suited for 25 meters and can sometimes hang with the big boys at that distance, since the wind isn't quite as big a factor.





I'll however agree with AirNGasman on his assessment of acceptable to phenomenal with 1", 3/4", 1/2"

Best wishes

Fuss

You didn't clarify, spring gun or PCP, I came in here under general air gunning so, if it was posted under one or the other, my bad.

It all depends on what's acceptable for your usages. If you're going to compete, or if you hope to hit birds, pests, tin cans. Or just trying your best at relaxing, breathing, and seeing what you & rifle can do.

I've seem amazing groups out of cheaper rifles, and OK groups out of rifles I expected better from for the price. You have to be the judge of your question unless you're asking if you should plan on attending a competition or something. Inquiring to see if maybe you think gun is at fault, haven't found the perfect brand to barrel match. Honestly I've bought rifles used that came with pellets. tried them, and saw why they were selling. Different pellets, redrawn or even a simple cleaning, maybe a scope wasn't holding zero. I've seen that a lot on spring guns. Guys give up because it wouldn't group. Once tuned and good mounts groups shrunk to 1/2 or more.

So, my main question would be did you mean a spring gun or a PCP. The 10 shot judgement is more what YOU can do instead of the rifle. Pellets are not bullets by Federal or handloads and consistency, flyers are easily explained.

In general though, for normal non comp guys, I agree with AirNgasman. 1", 3/4", 1/2" @ 50 as if my rifles are doing 1/2 @ 50, it's subMOA in no wind conditions or you happen to read wind like a magician. I just put 3 pellets touching in a cloverleaf at 58 yards with a .22 Discovery. Not regulated. JSB 18.1's If it can do better, I doubt I can off a rocking chair and with no pellet sizer, sorting, weighing, a regulator. You can get to one hole groups. It's how much do you wish to spend & practice. My .177's are for 50 yards and under mostly. I personally am happy if they can hit English Sparrows at that distance. If the wind is above 10mph, I'm not out there trying to compensate to pest. I do love to shoot in snow storms at far (up to 200 yards) just to learn the wind. it's nothing more than long range plinking.Sticking to your .177 question, I'll stretch them out to 150 yards in snow but 3.8ftlbs, again, plinking & reading wind for fun.

I would say 1/4" to 3/8" is what I'm looking for but 1/2" is more the reality. Here is probably my best 5 shot 50 yd group i ever shot.Literally one hole a little bigger than the pellet shot from a .20 RAW HM1000.







I just realized you were looking for .177 groups while this is a .20,,,,perhaps even more impressive since its a bigger pellet.It is shooting at 20 ft lbs though with JSB 13.7 at 800 FPS.

Kdog, the pellet gods were with you that day. Awesome group. I haven't had one that tight with a 40+ fpe gun yet. Had 4 go in the same hole the other day and the fifth one messed it up.

Fuss

Kdog, the pellet gods were with you that day. Awesome group. I haven't had one that tight with a 40+ fpe gun yet. Had 4 go in the same hole the other day and the fifth one messed it up.

Fuss

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Thanks Fuss you are right the pellet gods were there and all the stars and moon were aligned just right. I had just got the rifle and it was a little breezy but as I'm looking through the scope each pellet was going through the same hole. After the first 3 shots you start thinking to yourself ok don't mess this up but i didn't. Its just a testament to the fine job Martin Rutherford does at RAW.

Here is another group shot at the same time,,,its a tad bigger but still impressive. Just for reference the orange dot is 3/4".

Acceptable, 3/4 inch.

Good, 1/2 inch.

Amazing yet still achievable, 1/4 inch, like Keith’s .20 cal. group above

All measurements center to center. I’ve shot 1/4 inch 5 shot groups with my RAW TM1000 at 52 yards. Need to try some ten shot groups. 10.3 JSB at 900 FPS. 

My 177 Gauntlet can do it but not 100% all of the time for 10 shots. It can do it for 5 shot groups. My Nova Freedom has a better chance of doing it consistently when pumping between every shot. Really shocked the hell out of me, these CHINA MADE guns.

The Nova Freedom is my favorite "go to" gun at the moment.

I suggest using at the very least a Caldwell Lead Sled FCX rifle rest if you are trying to test the rifle for best accuracy.

There are much better ones which will do a better job to plant your rifle but cost 10x as much and would definitely help achieve the tiniest groups you seek which eliminates most the human factor.



CA

.177 at 50 a rifle and shooter that can hold 1/2" can win the Nationals. The average decent QC rifle is likely closer to 3/4" ( off the shelf AA or such ). 





John

Made this 10 shot group with my Air Arms TX200 MK3 .177 FAC at 40 meters (44 yards) - A ½ inch group with a springer ! Very happy with that 

Best .177 groups I ever shot at 50 yards were with JSB 13.43 monsters at @ 810 fps out of my TM-1000 all falling inside 1/2"

My same gun tho now sporting a .20 cal HW barrel will do that easily and far more consistently ... YUP LOVE THE .20 caliber as well !