So…who thinks they have the most accurate springer?

Where are you James Dingle. We need group photos.

Oh dang, I can't say mine are the "most accurate." I've just made some incredible shots with them, iron sights and scoped. 
As far as why mine do so well, 6 are tuned by John Thomas & only other one is a FWB300S. From L-t-R: HW30 .177/JSB 8.44 4.51, RWS 34 .22 TO6/5.52, R1 .22/5.53, HW77K SE .22/H&N FTT 5.53 14.66, RWS 48 .177 JSB 10.3-13.43 Crosman 10.5's, & RWS 52 .25 TO1 H&N FTT 20.14, GTO 16.54, and JSB 25.43. H&N group best.

Bottom is my Lefty FWB300S .177 & AZ Rapid .22. FWB eats just about anything but I like the 8.44 JSB 4.51mm.

3 springers are scoped, 4 aren't. I have more than enough scopes but since I still can use the irons, I plan on enjoying them until my eyes fail me for plinking and hunting. Real groups beyond 10 yards must be shot with a scope. I don't think human eyes can match what a scope can do. I do want to scope the newest 34. Super nice shot cycle and middle of road between my HW30 & R1 weight wise.





Tuning is a important thing but I'm not the one to speak on it in any technical sense other than a good proper fit of everything that needs it makes the shot cycle much more enjoyable, tightens inconsistencies which would otherwise show up on paper. Of course a good predictable trigger that stays set as desired is key to precision shooting. Tuning encompasses all of these things and more. Knowing what thread locker, anti seize, to use, or not use is extremely important.


I forget what it's called Edit: "Duh, Vibratitr" but there's a great substance that deadens most all vibration & backing out, doesn't set, is reusable although if it gets anywhere around aluminum it reacts & corrodes seals. Weird but falls into OP question of tips & tricks.


This was my John Thomas tuned TO1 52 .25 with a H&N FTT 20.14 @ 700fps.

Iron sights, as shown at end of video. Rabbit at 52 yards. Not "Graphic" up close but definitely DRT hit in head. 

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/who-says-springers-arent-capable-iron-sight-head-shot-52yrds/


Edit: Same 52 .25 allowed me to whack English Sparrow at 83 yards & iron sights a few months ago. 78yr old Dad witnessed it but I didn't think I would even get that so didn't film. I don't post on YouTube or anything. 

I don't have much of a problem holding a sub 1/2" 5 shot group at 75. I guess I'm going to have to try it at 100 & post back later. It's my first choice for impressive springer long range groups. At 30-50 I might pick a .177 or .22. At 10-30 definitely pick my FWB300S. 


Edit: And one last important thing I would like to state out of respect for all the people that tune springers. There's lots of very good tuners. Mike Ellis, Scott Blair, Bill Zizzy, Motorhead Scott Schneider, etc who do know the secrets to tuning. I would love to try or own some from these fellas but I am always impressed with John Thomas's work and he's only 150 miles from me now. Use to be about 20 miles apart. John's work as a tuner is what converted me from fighting a box store springer, junk scope and mount, to a refined tack driver. 
If I had never made that crossover I would be none the wiser & never attained the knowledge of what a well tuned springer can do. And believe it or not I have seen this 48 .177 I have from him hit dead on after a entire night in 16*F cold. I mention it because I don't think most untuned rifles would do that. Moly may be the answer. Tar would probably have stiffened up. 


These are questions most people don't ask tuners. Can you tune it for hunting in cold? What's best for a given scenario, etc?

My most accurate springer is my 45 year old FWB 300S. Even though it shoots less than 6 FPE, it's hard to beat. It was designed for 10M Olympic competition, but it does really well for 25M benchrest.

JamesD,

Which scope and rings did you use on that FWB300S in the case on the bottom left? I love low mounted compact scopes.

There is no "thing" that can be done to make a springer accurate. Each gun must be worked on to make that rifle as accurate as it can be. Kits will most always make improvements to any springer but not necessarily make it as accurate as possible. Years back, I specialized in TX200 SR models, there were a few that I was able to make shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yds while shooting 860 fps with CP 7.9 pellets. Can they all do that? No...you need an exceptional shooting gun to start with!

Not enough room here to list all the possible tweaks you could make that may or may not improve a particular rifle. Those who have done exceptional tunes didnt just suddenly make it happen, many hours of creating, testing, starting over, and comming up with new ideas to try. We can give you things to try, but without feeling the firing behavior of a specific gun, hard to say which thing to try is next. Custom tunes means each gun is tuned to be its own best..

I know mine is NOT the most accurate springer BUT every so often I can string together an impressive group. This am I had 3 shots touching inside a 1" bull at 25 yards. I seem to get better results when I keep both eyes open. Good luck to all.

Went through all my 20 cal pellets and found the old R10 likes H&N Barracuda's the best. This is a 40 yard group, shot off a sandbag. Haven't opened her up to see if she's been tuned. (And I'm not gonna)

JamesD,

Which scope and rings did you use on that FWB300S in the case on the bottom left? I love low mounted compact scopes.

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Scope rings were UTG 30 mm Compact LE medium height

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/30mm-quick-detach-rings-medium-weaver-picatinny-see-thru-compact-law?a=3472

They are mounted on a UTG dovetail to picatinny drooper adapter

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-drooper-scope-rail-11mm-to-weaver-adapter-compensates-for-droop?a=4191

The scope is a Mueller 8-32X44 Target dot.

Thank you sir. That looks like a fine rifle and scope but I was asking JamesD what he was using.

JamesD,

Which scope and rings did you use on that FWB300S in the case on the bottom left? I love low mounted compact scopes.

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It's just a BKL forward 2 piece low, and a 3-9 Bugbuster. 
These are kind of hard to scope low as the loading port & rail don't allow anything but a compact scope. 

My most accurate springer is my 45 year old FWB 300S. Even though it shoots less than 6 FPE, it's hard to beat. It was designed for 10M Olympic competition, but it does really well for 25M benchrest.

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Very nice!

I'm not claiming to have the most accurate springer, but groups like this keep me hoping. The left group is 10 shots at 50 yards and the right group is 9 shots at 50. These are my two best so far, but my average 10-shot groups are just over an inch at 50 for all three types of pellets I have tried. Flyers really open up groups and increase the average. These were shot from an untuned Walther LGU with a completely stock 3# trigger that is pretty new to me and is my first springer air rifle. 

Edit: Actually, I don't think you can call it a tune, but I did disassemble the rifle and wipe out the excess grease before shooting it the first time.

Well, my .20 R1 is undoubtedly not THE most accurate springer, but it's pretty good for its intended purpose. These were two groups I shot recently just to show someone an R1 can be accurate.

Motorhead tuned LGV .177, Rowan trigger, MTC Genesis LR., BKL rings. First 3 cold shots @ 25 meters, forearm on a bag, butt on my shoulder, R10 wadcutters.

Smaller than the hair on FDRs head......

I’ve owned most Weihrauch and AA spring guns and the most accurate in my hands has been my .177 hw97k. A very close second is my .177 pro sport. When going for best accuracy I shoot rested off a bench. My guess is that the more front-heavy weight distribution of the hw97k gives it a slight edge versus the pro sport.

That said, in absolute terms, shooter skill or the lack thereof is the biggest variable in springer accuracy.

R

Not the most accurate by any means but accurate:





Twenty five, five shot groups at twenty five yards. Black dot is one MOA, rings are 2,3,4 and 5 MOA. Scope slipped twice.

I guess it would depend on yardage but up close Feinwerkbau 300S would get my pick everytime over all my other guns.



That group with pink circle I measured at .174 with my caliper. So a pellet will print on paper slightly smaller than original diameter of .177 if that was true diameter. But that would mean if true all 5 shots went through the exact same hole. That would be very tough to do with another springer. None of my Weihrauch's will do that.

A few more decent ones.