Sometimes Old Ain't So Bad

elh0102

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Let me begin by saying, I'm a simple kind of guy. I like manual transmissions, 1911 pistols, shotguns with two barrels, bourbon unfettered by any other liquid (okay, if cask proof, maybe a splash of water), and people who say what they mean. I've had quite a few top shelf air rifles, and I liked most of them for various reasons. Currently I own only four, a RAW HM1000, a Steyr single shot Challenge Hunting, a Daystate Red Wolf, and most recently (and the subject of this post) an FX Royale 400 in .22. Now, when is the last time you have read any comments on a Royale 400? Probably years, as with me. Many dealers don't even stock them. FX is dishing out to the air gun scribes such goodies as the Crown, Boss, Impact, Dreamline, etc. They all have bells and whistles that leave the Royale in the dust, and they are attractive to many shooters. I had a Crown, nice rifle, shot well, but remember, I'm a simple guy. The barrel assembly of sleeve, liner, shroud, the almost infinite adjustability features of hammer tension and port openings, all combine to give me a bunch of stuff I don't need. It was a neat rifle, and the only issue I had with it was the frequent need for barrel cleaning. The Smooth Twist X liner lead fouled quickly. I didn't keep the rifle long, and maybe that would have stabilized with more shooting. 

I recently realized that I had traded myself out of a woods walking squirrel air rifle. The air rifles I own are very accurate, but it would take a true masochist to lug any of them through the woods. I wanted something light, reliable, and accurate. The Royale 400 is new to me, so this isn't a long-term test report, but it sure checks all the other boxes with authority. I've had three owners of Royale 400 rifles report that, unlike the Smooth Twist X liner, this original Smooth Twist barrel rarely needs cleaning. Sometimes, simple is okay. (I know, the Red Wolf is anything but simple. But, once I accepted the electronics involved, it's been as simple as any rifle I've owned, just load it and shoot. But, it's not a through-the-woods, bad weather, toss-around piece of equipment.). The initial shooting sessions with the Royale have shown exceptional accuracy. It will be a while before our squirrel season opens, but I'm sure it will see a few back yard pest control missions in the interim. It may fall apart in 6 months, in which case my opinion of it will be diminished, but at this point I'm optimistic, and, as excited with it as I've ever been with an air rifle. I realize that companies like FX can't stand still, and innovation can be the heart of success. But, I hope this is a rifle they keep around, just to keep us simple-minded old folks happy. 
 
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I Iike your simple tastes. Add in women who don’t shave to look like prepubescent girls & I could have written that post.

Nothing wrong with keeping the golden oldies. I said 10 years ago on another forum, “I do wish I had an air gun that could match a .22LR in BC.” We’ve far surpassed that. Guys didn’t want slugs or big bores then, & neither did I. Only because 1-3 shots isn’t for target shooting.

Now I have guns that can shoot better than most guys at a range@ 100 yards with their .22, & I’ll still beat most with JSB 18.1 at 860 FPS. If it shoots, it shoots & it’s a keeper. I want AZ Rapids again, I’d buy 2-3 new RAW’s. But I hear rumors of slugs going mainstream & a .257 that doesn’t have a straw barrel. I don’t mind shooting tethered either for serious groups but we’re also getting to what I wished for 10 years ago. Huge tanks, Uragan. Double 500cc 4500 carbon fibers, front & back. Remember that Rapid that had 2 500cc tanks up front connected by a block to receiver? Unwieldy but it worked. If the Uragan really gets 50 shots at 115 ft lbs in .30 accurately, I won’t even need to be tethered. Have someone like AZ, Scott Motörhead, Dan Brown optimize it? WHEW MOMMA! 

That all being said I held a Royal 400 synthetic & first thought was, “this feels like a toy.” I’m old school also in I haven’t tried a bull pup yet. I like long heavy wood & metal guns. I’m use to spring guns, Varmint rifles with bull barrels. So even if I go to anything bigger than .25 pellets I want a long efficient barrel in a stiff heavy BR stock. Heck my dream gun is still Chip Smith’s Sumo build but for slugs in either .22 or .257

I fully agree I like simple but ingenious designs. Garand bolts, why I never would’ve jumped on the AR train. Modify a mini with a real barrel please. I also hope the golden oldies are kept around. I can only compare our both owning Rapid/RAW. I’m glad Martin added quick fill, moderator, option of reg. I’d still like a full AZ shroud over a factory LDC. 

One of these days I may give in & buy an FX, especially if Bob O. keeps posting those dam videos of how well he & that Impact 2 can shoot .22 slugs. But I wish FX was simplified & sturdier in build. 

All with a grain of salt. I’m off to test 4 tins from 4 different sleeves. Shout out to Dick, thank you. Enjoy your new to you FX Royal 👑 
 
That’s my favorite gun, mine is .177 and it’s extremely accurate out to 70 yards. Even further if no wind. It balances perfectly and I can shoot it off hand fairly well. And just the other day I turned the power wheel to the low setting and shot 7.33 grain falcon pellets at 20 yards for a fun session of off hand. The barrel did lead up and lose accuracy, but a thorough cleaning and it was right back. It took a lot of passes with patches and that was after a brush cut up the fouling lead. I was amazed at how dirty the barrel had gotten. That was after over 5000 shots, and I haven’t lost accuracy yet. Awesome little guns for certain. Enjoy 😉!
 
Technology vise I would not consider the royal old. It still have some of the main features as many guns today. The main thing it might lack compared to the latest generation fx guns is the changable barrel system, and the regulator adjustement screw. The newest generation of fx guns are special feature vise. But compared to most recent guns from other manufacturers, I believe it still match up pretty good with. I can understand the reason of keeping it simple, if one doeas not have the need to experiance and adjust everything.

There might be a downside of all the adjustability of the new guns, and that is that no matter who owns one of those guns, they are kinda begging to be adjusted, and everyone will probably do it. An unexperiansed owner might mess up the factory setting, and make the gun either less accurate, or less efficient with air, and then might not be happy with the result until he has spent allot of time getting the gun back to where it was from the beginning:)
 
I have an FX Royale 500 & a recently acquired (used) Boss .30. Wouldn't trade 'em for all the bells & whistles. LOVE the fit, feel, finish & accuracy. Point & shoot, done! I'm too old to deal with yet another learning curve only to acquire the same result, DEAD VARMINTS. Fancy looks good on paper & in photos but if SIMPLE gets me the desired result I stick with it. Then again, I could just be getting crotchety!
 
I couldn't agree more. Most of my guns get set for one pellet and then I'm done adjusting. I know these new guns are great and have lots of features and adjustability but it's more than most of us really need. But I do understand the attraction though.

I like simple too that's why I keep a couple Springer's around , RWS 52 T01 .177 and FWB 124D.

Over the years I've owned lots of nice pcp's from AirArms, Air Force, AZ Rapids, Evanix, Falcons, Gamo, Shing Sun , Crosman, Benjamin, BSA, SPA, etc, etc BUT for some reason I never owned an FX.

Until now. Just recently bought a nice FX Royale 400, regged and I installed a carbon fiber tank on it. Absolutely love it. Light simple and very accurate. It has become my favorite rifle and my go to gun. It fits in nicely with my .25 PT Cricket, .22 Career 707 II carbine and my newest one, a Taipan Veteran long .22.

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"Old" is a relative term.

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This Sears & Roebuck variant of the venerable classic Crosman Model 160 was almost a half-century old when it captured State Champion titles and National Record certificates (around Y2K). FWIW, the antique .22 caliber Co2 rifle prevailed against the .177 Euro springers otherwise dominating air rifle silhouette competition back then, including Air Arms TX200s, HW97s, and the occasional Whiscombe (they were still being produced back then). 
 
Just a quick update as I sip my evening bourbon, thinking, perhaps there are a few other old farts out there with similar flexible schedules. The "old" Royale 400 I bought has turned out to be an amazingly good value. This thing shoots great. This is a target I shot today, 5 shots at 25 yards, and in a substantial the wind. The center ring was my target, as this was an old target still on a frame at the gun club. I had the scope off last night, so I wasn't sure of my POI, but it was right on. This rifle seems to have an almost mystic ability to shoot where I'm aiming. I've taken care of a half dozen back yard bird feeder squirrel pests, and it hasn't missed anything yet! I'm thinking a simple, one-piece barrel without a lot adjustments tacked on is a pretty good thing. My glass is empty.

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For me staying a few steps (or several) behind the latest and greatest helps me afford the sport as well. I recently did a little horse trading that landed me a low serial number .25 Rapid and a low serial number HM1000. The Rapid has a leaky valve but parts are on the way and the HM1000 is awesome. They are both unregulated and easy to work on and just wonderful rifles. Definitely not ideal walking around weapons but a joy to shoot.
 
I know what you mean about almost mystic with that little rifle hitting what you aim at. Those are great groups! When you do miss, it’s only by a couple pellet widths. And I agree with you and Gipper about simple being great. I have a couple Crowns and they shoot better than I do already. I don’t mess with them even though you can easily do it. And don’t you just love the RAW trigger? Those are beautiful rifles Gipper. I stupidly sold my HM 1000X, but someday I’ll have another one. Those rifles are way better built than the FX guns. But I love FX guns for sure. Have a great weekend!
 
I agree with the comments on the RAW rifles, I love mine. The Royale is by no means a replacement, or even competition with the RAW. They are so different as to be almost mutually exclusive in their uses. The RAW would be much more comfortable for an afternoon of bench shooting, or as a FT rifle with shooting sticks (although mine is a 22 and too powerful). And for endurance, I expect the RAW will be shooting when the Royale is but a memory.

But for a walk through the woods, with the chance of a squirrel shot at 50 yards or less, the Royale is a champion. And since it's intended use is relatively low volume, I'll never wear one out. Guess its all about the right tool for the job. 
 
Late to the discussion Ed, but quite and enjoyable post just the same. Yes there's something to be said about tried and true. And with FX USA just 30 minutes from my back yard, it was a no brainer to start adding FX to the collection.

Started with a FX 400 years ago and traded it for a .22 Cricket Carbine. Probably should have kept that one?

Then a friend made me an offer I couldn't refuse on an older model 2007 single shot .177 FX Logun Solo with LW barrel set up to shoot the 13.4 gr Jsb's about 830 fps. Plus it had just been totally resealed by FX USA here in Wilmington in 2018.

Ever since the purchase of the Logun, I've been wanting another FX, and luckily for me, Derrick W. out of Texas talked me into checking out his .30 Boss. Holy Moly, best money I have spent on an airgun in all my years of airgunning. And just recently acquiring a sharp shooting FX Royale 500 from Ken Hicks over at Spaw. Another wad of cash saved. Got just a wee more invested in these three tried and true lasers than I would have put into one new Impact MK2. So, I've bought 3 tried and true FX's in last nine months and couldn't be happier.

Ed, in parting.....I'll have to pass on the "manual transmission" buddy. I can still dig manual roll up windows though!

Peace and Top Shelf grease

Fuss


 
I've run the gamut of airgins. From what most here consider the top of the line to the ones termed "beginner". I no longer have a lot of those top of the line $2-3k rifles. 

My flock keeps changing. Some i have kept longer than expected, some didnt quite live up to the hype. Others while very dear to me found their way to a new home. Throughout this amazing journey though one rifle that has stayed has been my Royale 400 .22. I purchased it second hand some years ago. One day it will come time to find it a new home. But that day is a long ways off because as far as I know, I havent any grandkids yet😜


 
The Royale 400, I'll never tire of talking about it, or shooting it. In almost every human endeavor, there are a few things that are......well, just right; the landing of a well cast dry fly on a calm stream, the sound of a GT3 Porsche at 8,500 rpms, a pointing dog freezing on point from a full run, and I'm sure everyone has a similar list. With all such things, nature is in balance, and one can ask for no more. The Royale is now several generations in the past. And like our own greatest generation of WW II heroes, the kids and grand kids may do many great things, but they will never do that singular thing as well as the elder. Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it, pass the Woodford.