Strange developments in RAW after takeover by Airforce

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    mubhaur
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    I have two identical RAW HM1000X .25 60 ftlb Poly barrel version.  Both are made by Martin just before takeover by Airforce.

    Now I thought that I should convert one of these in to .22 caliber optimizing for 25 grain redesigned.

    I send the e mail to Martin and he advised me that after taken over by Airforce each barrel is not tested at 100 yards. If I need the barrel to be tested, there will be an extra fee of $50.

    It appears that for new RAW guns we cant trust accuracy until we know that 50$ extra have been paid for testing.    This is not good.

    Further on the technical side, I asked him if I can machine a BSA barrel and install in it, Martin replied that RAW uses special machines to obtain desired performance .

    Further I am advised that Martin will no more be available on phone. He can be contacted through e mail only.

    Please comment on all above matters.

     

    Regards,

    Umair Bhaur

    from

    Pakistan

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    Peskadot671
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    Well that sucks. I guess my future plans to buy one ceases here.

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    weatherby
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    It is not a problem at all to fit a barrel of any other brand in the RAW guns, I did it several times.

    Martin means the tp is "oval" but this is no problem at all if you use a milling machine instead of a drill press.

    I make my .25 tp's always in a key way shape, like 5.5mm wide and 7mm long.

    Don't be held back because of some cautious advice, it is not rocket science.

    A RAW barrel is even easier to manufacture because it does not have a internal o-ring groove like most other airguns use.

    Good luck!

    Gijs

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    fe7565
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    Quality control concerns addressed back in Jan 2018:

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/raw-airforce-join-forces-press-release/

     

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    mubhaur
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    Weatherby,

    I have good machinists here.  I believe that LW poly barrel cant be much better than BSA hammer forged barrel in .22 even at high FPS. 

    Thanks a lot

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    spysir
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    !00 yard testing!  For $100.00, very good deal. IF you just added it in the original price you'd not blink. It does take a LOT of time to shoot a few good outdoor 100 yard groups an exactly how many other manufacturers offer 100 yard testing at all?

     Used to be buy a USFT and it should shoot well, want it tested $100.00 extra, that was 2007 and most thought it a deal ( esp on replacement barrels) but that was wind tunnel testing which one would think takes much less ( and more predictable) time.

     Martin had to do something to egt off the phone. Too professional not to talk and way too busy to talk but to polity professional.  Just TOO many people "needing " to ask, fill pressure?  Scuba tank? 1+ hr over 7 calls, never heard from again. 5 calls for an actual direct sale but it would have been a dead stock off the shelf model except they wanted a color that caused one rilfe to sit out of Que for 9 weeks waiting on stcok material, then a special run for that stock,       …….

     I know someone with a 100 yard test target that came with there RAW signed & dated by a National Champion. He framed it and smiles at it like it's an airgun all by it's self.

     Times change.

    Soon we will have much more bountiful access to RAW rifles. ( He gets to run the batch's start to finish w/out interrupting business)  They'll all be RAW QC and tested ( exactly how/muc/distance/? but a utility Martin can take pride in). And IF you think you actually shoot better than 99% of the shooters in the world , or it just pleases you to know exactly what your rifle CAN do ( some shooter other than I ) . $100.00 – and no time limit, weather & all- seems a value, when spending such an amount on such necessity as an airgun.

     

     John

     

    AA "XTRA FAC" all ran oval transfer ports-23.5fpe in .177 stock- , my QB does also..

     

     

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    mubhaur
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    I agree Spysir,

    But it had been much better that RAW had just raised the price.

    At least all RAW guns could be trustworthy.

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    addertooth
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    To go back to the original poster's question.  Drill a round hole to the width of the oval slot.  You can then carefully, and slowly use abrasives and files to work the round hole to the ideal (oval/slotted) shape.  Don't forget to put a radius (as versus a square edge) on the inside the bore edge of the oval hole when you are done.  Airflow hates a sudden square edge when it is emerging from pressure, and causes disruptive turbulent flow.  It also dislikes a sudden change in impedance as well, and can create a reflected signal which works against flow momentarily.   

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    blackdiesel
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    If I had an issue or wanted modifications to my RAW I would contact Allen Z.  He always test the accuracy at distances before he send the gun back.

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    jps2486
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    Increasing the TP area by drilling a round hole is limited.  The only way you can achieve a larger area is by milling an oval slot.  Think about it.

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    ddransoml
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    I'm an Air Force fanboy and always wanted a custom RAW…I'm getting ready to place an order for a .30 cal with AAA or AirForce/RAW collaboration…can anyone highlight the added benefits Air Force brings to RAW? 

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    rapidair
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    We have not changed any test procedures on RAW guns since the takeover by AirForce. Every rifle is tested at 75 to 100 yards  (depending on caliber and application) before it leaves the factory. The original poster wanted to buy a spare barrel and wanted the spare barrel installed in a gun here and test fired before it was sent out.  We can do this but it’s not part of the cost of a spare barrel.  There is a charge.  We thought we were being responsive in offering a service not offered by any company we are aware of and do not understand why there seems to be a need to skew the facts.

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    Peskadot671
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    I stand corrected. My apologies. 

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    Traum
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    well with rapidairs reply I feel like that Is a quite reasonable price and point. it's not like you can just test a barrel it had to be installed onto an air rifl sighted adjusted tested and then more adjustments potentially and then if it works removed cleaned packaged and shipped. extra work extra money

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    fe7565
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    rapidair

    We have not changed any test procedures on RAW guns since the takeover by AirForce. Every rifle is tested at 75 to 100 yards  (depending on caliber and application) before it leaves the factory. The original poster wanted to buy a spare barrel and wanted the spare barrel installed in a gun here and test fired before it was sent out.  We can do this but it’s not part of the cost of a spare barrel.  There is a charge.  We thought we were being responsive in offering a service not offered by any company we are aware of and do not understand why there seems to be a need to skew the facts.

    So it was a special situation with OP.  Sounds fair and reasonable to me. 

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    aa_limited
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    raw offers great rifles. that's why I chose a raw air rifles for the customer service… thanks raw for coming on here and setting things straight,

    one of the reasons I will continue to shoot raw rifles.

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    mubhaur
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    rapidair

    We have not changed any test procedures on RAW guns since the takeover by AirForce. Every rifle is tested at 75 to 100 yards  (depending on caliber and application) before it leaves the factory. The original poster wanted to buy a spare barrel and wanted the spare barrel installed in a gun here and test fired before it was sent out.  We can do this but it’s not part of the cost of a spare barrel.  There is a charge.  We thought we were being responsive in offering a service not offered by any company we are aware of and do not understand why there seems to be a need to skew the facts.

    Thank you Martin,

    Thanks for clarification. 

    I got your point. Yes I took it as I posted it. There is no ill intention behind it.  This is right that I have been concerned about RAW post your agreement with Airforce.

    Neither do I know the details of the agreement but my love for RAW raises many suspicions. 

    When you wrote to me that now you will charge test fee, I can copy past your mail here but shall not do it, it gave the impression that it was not happening in the past.

    During all my deals with you your cooperation has been unprecedented. 

    Also the guns that you sent me are great shooters.

    I apologise if anything written by me is wrong.  But believe me that it was misunderstanding that you just clarified in your response now.

    Yes I hope to place an order for extra barrel and want you to test it at 100 yards and I agree to pay the fee that you have communicated to me.

    No issues at all.

    You know that I am in that part of the world from where it is extremely difficult to send back such items if they don't perform. Also we have to pay a big premium price to get things here.

    I always read in the past that you had always been available on phone but when I wanted to discuss all the things on phone I was informed that only e mails now.

    I appreciate your clarification on this post. I correct my understanding.  I also apologise for anything I misunderstood and mentioned in the post.

    I always appreciate your great work and support.

    Thank you RAW and thank you Martin.

    Regards, 

     

    Umair Bhaur 

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