So how accurate is the gun that brought the world Pistol Field Target?

The oppressive Fourth of July Texas heat always reminds me how much I neglect my Co2 guns in this age of PCPs, big-bores, slug-shooting to hundreds of yards, and $5000 field target rigs (both rifle and pistol). So this afternoon I took a couple real gems out of the mothballs for a stroll down Nostalgia Lane. And for me, there's no more vivid stroll than hand-in-hand with the gun that brought Pistol Field Target to the world. FrankenPistol proved capable as ever of shooting impressive groups, especially considering wind conditions ill-suited to the purpose; those being gusty, medium strength winds.

Nevertheless, and despite the fact I often deviate from my usual accuracy-testing protocol of at least 5 consecutive five-shot groups when testing Co2 guns, with dusk closing in I decided to just ENJOY a session of 5 consecutive five-shot groups at 25 yards; even though FrankenPistol's velocity starts to fall after 20-22 shots on a 12 gram cartridge charge.

Sure enough and as expected on the fifth five-shot group, the muzzle-report reflected a continual fall in velocity. Though holding progressively higher with each shot, the last group on lower-right confirms I did a good job of correcting for the falling velocities until the VERY LAST (25th) shot.

So summoning a combination of common sense and "poetic license", I can either ignore the last group in the average group-size calculation, or include the first 4 shots of the last group in the average and ignore the very last, very anemic shot of the Co2 charge... or quote averages calculated both ways.

Excluding the last (fifth) group, four consecutive five-shot groups at 25 yards shot with the 1950's-vintage Crosman 180 Co2 rifle butchered into The Gun That Brought The World Pistol Field Target averaged .57" center-to-center. Including the last group except the last shot brings the average down to .54" c-t-c. Though not FrankenPistol's best effort, still pretty impressive stuff.

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For more insight into Frank's history and capabilities, here is an excerpt from Custom, Classic and Otherwise AWESOME AIR PISTOLS!

"Shooters only somewhat familiar with airgun ballistics might not be especially impressed with the 180 pistol, but consider this. A .22 pellet at over 500 FPS shoots right through big jackrabbits (broadside). However the 180 pistol’s tack-driving accuracy is so confidence-inspiring as to make brain shots entirely possible. For additional perspective, few shooters have shot a pistol that can average .33” groups at 25 yards, and .74” at 50. If so, chances are they were shooting a Thompson/Center Contender.

Matter of fact that custom Crosman 180 pistol conversion shoots so well that it became my first field-target competition pistol before air pistol field target competition even existed! I was so inspired by the fine performance of the 180 pistol that I felt field target competition for pistols would be the best showcase for its capabilities.

So I started a pistol program at Texas’ only field target club at the time, the Yegua Airgun Club. Then when our club hosted the 2009 U.S. Field Target National Championships, I publicized the fact there would be a pistol event with awards for Scope-Pistol and Iron Sight/Red Dot classes; including National Champion in both classes. Several shooters that enjoyed the pistol event at 2009 Nats subsequently started pistol field target programs at their home venues, and pistol field target grew from those beginnings.

If it seems I’m inferring my Crosman 180 rifle-to-pistol conversion is responsible for the existence of pistol field target competition, that’s not the case. I’m not inferring that at all; I’m declaring it absolutely so! Fact is, pistol field target competition would not exist was it not for my home-made Crosman 180 custom pistol conversion."




 
It's competitive I think. Can't shoot it offhand for crap but sitting on my bag with a bipod it's pretty good lol. Won Hunter Pistol at the 30th annual Cajun Spring Classic and second at the National's in NC last fall. That's clever using a 180, I had never even considered it or anything but the Maximus. Was just about to get a 1720t and follow suit with many others. Got to looking at the Maximus just sitting around and the wheels got turning. Started measuring and putting tape on it here and there. Ordered a regulated 4500 psi bottle for under 50 bucks. When it got here I already had a bottle adapter in hand and started work. I didn't even disassemble it before I cut it in half with a hacksaw lol. Took the end cap off and packed a rag down the main tube and cut where the tape was. I did have to buy a breach spacer to get the 4500 psi bottle to work. Tuning was easy also. No valve work at all just a home made "lamp knob" power adjuster and shims for the paintball type regulator. 11.7 fpe with 10.34's. No idea how many shots it gets with a full fill, guessing around 60 to 80. I built my son one just like it but with a used Gauntlet 3k bottle. Took about an hour and a half total.

Enough about my junk, what have you got done to that 180 pistol?
 
Hey AirNgasman,

Interesting history on your crosman 180. I have an old 180 that I sawed the barrel and stock off a couple of years ago and its been on the shelf since then. My 180 has a different trigger guard and safety than yours. Would that make it older or newer?

I have been thinking about making a new pistol type stock for the 180. Did you have to rebarrel or modify your valve to get the kind of accuracy you are seeing? I'm trying to decide if dressing the Old girl up is worth the effort. She sure does have a nice trigger. I wish my $700 Rex had one half as good!

Thanks.
 
Repies to Kidpellet and yoopper. 

Thought I'd surely be able to identify Kidpellet by checking 2018 Nats results, but NOOOO! Not a single mention in the match report of the pistol event! That really irks me. But at least the 2019 Cajuns match report gave results of the pistol event. Nice to (kind of) meet you, RB. Sounds as if, like me, you make do with simple tools to produce an FT pistol that competes with the best out there. RESPECT! 

I find all the mass and weight that is an advantage when shooting off a bipod is invariably no small liability from offhand, and usually vice--versa. And though we suffer very few offhand shots in FT competitions, nevertheless most championship-level matches are won and lost on the offhand lane(s). 

As to what I did to that Hawgleg 180, other than the obvious I did effect as many flow-mods to the valve as possible to get the power up, I originally ran it on bulk-fill Co2, but eventually a buddy modified some semblance of a regulator that kinda/sorta worked, and I then ran it on 2200 PSI air. Here are the notes taken from my Airgun Chronicles book-

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Yoopper, your 180 must be the early, what I call "simple trigger" model produced from 1956 to 1962; like my first 180 pistol conversion that is the object of my original post in this thread. FWIW, I've often made the comment that simple triggers respond very well to simple trigger-mods. If yours "sure does have a nice trigger" it's either well-worn or someone has slicked it up.

I did not do any valve mods to the 180 in my OP, just moly-lubed the hamer and hammer-spring. All my vintage Crosman conversions and customizations use the factory barrels. Crosman used button-rifled barrels on their vintage guns, and many folks have a hard time believing the accuracy they're capable of. Unfortunately many decades-old Crosmans have suffered untold abuse, often including rifling damage. So I don't customize them before confirming one accurate enough to deserve it. 

Here's a photo of several Crosman 180-based pistols I've done; hopefully it answers your question whether your old girl is worth dressing up. Suffice to say I'm pretty NUTTY about 'em!

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My bad AirNGasman, I got 3rd in Hunter Pistol at the 2018 National's in a shootoff with Paul Porch. Here's the only link I could find from it.

http://www.thagc.com/day-1-of-nationals-2018-from-north-carolina/

I've been told by some that Pistol FT is the red headed step child of FT lol. Still, there were 4 man squads at the National's in the pistol match. I don't think I got even one point in the offhand lanes but from the seated position I don't miss many.

This gun has been to 4 matches, the Spring Classic in 2018, the Southern Open, the National's in 2018 and the Spring Classic in 2019. At the Spring Classic in 2019 I hit 2 of the offhand targets for the first time lol.

It's a lot of fun for me and my son shoots right along with me. I made him his own and it's nearly identical. His has no breach riser because it only has a 3k bottle. That saved nearly 50 bucks on the build. His also has a Marauder pistol type hammer spring adjuster. Both are shooting AA 10.34's at about 11.7 fpe. Both have Aeon 3-12x50 scopes.

Got both of them registered for the 2019 National's also. Maybe I'll have good luck again. That venue has been great to me. I didn't do bad in the rifle match either lol
 
Agreed, pistol is (still) the red-headed step-child of field target. Thankfully turn-out is now very good at Nationals; so that's promising.

Nice to see you so enthusiastic about PFT and your home-built FT pistols, that are obviously VERY capable. Injects an extra element of pride to the game to do well with home-grown equipment, huh?

I hope to contest Nats in BR, but not certain yet. Hope to get to meet you there.

Happy Shooting,

Ron