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Slugs for AAFTA matches?

Forums Field Target Field Target Talk Slugs for AAFTA matches?

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    Centercut
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    Not even a little chirp…. ;(

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    dayjd
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    After attending the last AFFTA National at Morrow Bay only one AFFTA governor showed up and was told the whole meeting lasted 15 minutes. It does seem AFFTA is slightly absent in our game these days. Also the Grand Prix Awards were not given out which had been for every National in the past since the GP's were  introduced about 10 -12 years ago. 

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    Franklink
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    'ello, guvnahs, uh, sirs, us poor regular field target folk still have a question about slugs. 

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    Cloud9AG
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    The AAFTA BOG has discussed this topic and made a decision that will be published with the 2022 AAFTA Rule updates soon.

    Jeff Cloud

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    Centercut
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    Great, thanks. 

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    22Jim
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    Per the new 2022 AAFTA Rule Book

    "Ammunition
    Pellets that are completely made of lead, lead alloy, zinc, zinc alloy, or similar all-metal material may
    be used. Airgun slugs may not be used."

    About what I expected

    Jim in Sacramento

     

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    Centercut
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    Oh so LAME, just lame…. No technical reason, just change and change can be painful for narrow minds.  Maybe we should go back to points and plugs in our cars also? Yup, let’s try and hold back progress as much as possible. That’ll only work until us old guys are replaced by the youngsters. It’s inevitable, but if it makes them feel better for a couple of years more power to them.

    Thanks for the update Jim. 

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    bvan
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    @ Centercut

    You asked the question and you got the answer. It doesn't sound like it was what you wanted. IMO keeping to pellets only is to keep it in the spirit of the game. Wind being something you just have to deal with among other variables without trying to circumvent a work around for an advantage.

     

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    Centercut
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    It’s ok that I’m disappointed. But please, don’t tell me FT shooters don’t press the limits trying to get an advantage. I wasn’t born yesterday. ;)  I probably won’t get it, but I would like to see the reasoning behind the decision. If its “spirit of the game” then I can live with that. No problemo.

    PS., there is no valid “technical” reason for not allowing slug shaped pellets in regular FT. IMHO, the slugs shaped pellets were outlawed for the same reason as attached bipods and prone. It won too much and many shooters couldn’t get into the prone position. So BAM, there goes attached bipods and prone. It’s very likely the same would happen with slug shaped pellets. 

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    thomasair
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    Maybe you could try the same logic to get slugs legal for EBR and RMAC?  😀

    Mike 

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    Centercut
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    RMAC has two slug events. EBR has two. We’re getting there…. ;)

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    bvan
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    @ Centercut

    So you are saying you currently are shooting a slug some sub ft/lb limit of the AAFTA FT class you want to be in (Hunter I'm guessing) and it is more accurate than a pellet and is less affected by wind than a pellet?

    Just trying to understand where you are coming from for the need of a slug in FT. To be clear I'm not asking about the interpretation of the definition of a legal projectile.

     

     

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    Centercut
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    Actually it’s something I wanted to try since at longer ranges in higher powered guns slugs are so much better than pellets. I only shot slugs at one event, the AZ States this year in Hunter Class.. But, in my Daystate Pulsar the JSB KO 13.4 grain slugs are very close in accuracy to the 13.4 RD Monsters and are significantly less affected by wind. When I shot them in windy conditions next to my .25 Delta Wolf shooting .25 JSB Heavy pellets the drifts were just about the same at 50 yards. It was apparently an exercise in futility as I’ll be going back to the RD Monsters for 2022.  It’s kinda sad that the Old Timers felt threatened by the slug shaped pellets. Oh well, que sera…To be completely honest, the decision of the BOD seems arbitrary and capricious to me, but that’s my opinion. I didn’t shoot FT when they decided guys were winning too much shooting prone but I’ll bet they felt a lot worse than me, since I’ve only been shooting FT for a year…

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    K
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    A lot of FT shooters do press the limits. It's so much more fun than actual practice!

    Knobs

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    Xbowsniper
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    Figured as much……Oh well……

    Tom Holland 

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    Scotchmo
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    Open Division
    The Open Division rules are intended to promote diversity and innovation to advance the state of the art in the sport of Field Target….

    What do they mean by "state of the art"? Not ammo, because that's not in the "spirit of the game"? I've had trouble figuring out what was the spirit of the game.

    Xbowsniper,

    Even though no longer legal for any AAFTA Divisions, you might still make use of your research in world WFTF as they still allow "any design pellet".

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    Centercut
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    Good post Scott.  I think they should replace “promote diversity and innovation to advance the state of the art” with “maintain the status quo” and it would be much more accurate and realistic….

    This is probably one of the reasons that when given the choice of shooting an AAFTA or an Extreme Field Target match, most of the experienced FT shooters that I know will choose EFT every time…

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    zx10wall
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    Spirit of the game……..sounds a bit exclusive. Not sure I’ve got the spirit. Slugs should be allowed just like electronic systems are allowed. Just like advances in PCPs are allowed. “Is that a balanced-valve, polished ports and a peek poppet I hear from your report?! Not allowed as it’s agitating my ‘spirit’!!”

    Whatever. Rules are added, taken away and altered for the powers that be and who they are closest to. Stopping progression is not in the best interest of any sport. Let’s move forward. Slug shaped pellets will be allowed one day. 20 FPE will still be 20 FPE. Steel targets will not be damaged either.  

    I'm just starting HFT. I will abide by the rules but I will express my opinions when I feel the need. 

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    Centercut
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    Good post Derrick.  Progress is progress.. Show me one sport where the rules and equipment are the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago. Yes, some will be upset with changing the status quo, but it’ll happen eventually whether they like it or not.

    Lots of players were upset with graphite shafted clubs, Titanium heads, and solid core golf balls, wood to metal to graphite tennis racquets, and the list goes on and on. But the sports progressed with technology despite those that wanted to maintain the status quo.

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    Nofilters
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    Let us all buy a rimfire airgun.LOL

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