Slug "stabilization" movement @ short distances

Thanks Edosan 

I actually enjoyed this video to the last second. So you think the slugs doesn't fully stabilize until they travel an amount of distance. Make sense.

That was fun to watch. Thanks for sharing.

There’s a bit of a burp coming from the muzzle when the round leaves. Reckon that might give it a little irregular slap on the hiney as it’s headed out the door?

Anybody got a suitably sized air stripper we can put on the end? 

While you’re checking the spare parts box, I’ll get my magnifying glass and check the crown for irregularities. On second thought, maybe the naked eye will suffice.

That is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while!!

Cool video! 

I don't think the contentious issue was the "wobble", and whether it happened or nor, and if it did, to what extent. The issue was certain posters that were certain a slug could be more accurate at 100 yards than at 50 yards due to that "wobble", and the subsequent stabilization. That is the issue that has never been proven (or filmed), since technically its physically impossible unless the slug has a built in homing system to correct any off axis flight path...

Agree with Centercut. Could instabiity (wobble or whatever it can be called) be present nearer the muzzle and then "settle down" further out? Certainly seems possible. But again, how could the "unstable" projectile become "stable" in exactly the correct point/orientation to bore to then produce higher accuracy at longer distances? A "wobbling" projectile would not necessarily be moving "in the bore axis" as someone else stated recently. If that were so then it still would produce a smaller group. Any larger group seen at a closer range would by necessity mean that it is moving in a circular manner around the axis of the bore due to the wobble. If the "wobbling" projectile was moving in a larger circle near the bore (as it would have to be to produce a larger group) then for it to "settle" and produce a smaller group further out it would have to "settle" in exactly the same point in relation to point of aim each time to produce a smaller group further out. I don't see how that can be possible.

I have shot rimfires 22 that was not target ammunition that is subsonic but a hotter velocity that didn’t do well @50yrd but at 100yrd did well.

I agree with CC and bandg. To whatever extent the slug wobbles "out of the gate", the amount of deviation it produces relative to an ideal, perfect trajectory can never be recovered. It may perhaps be less accurate than a pellet at short distance, but the fact it is more accurate than a pellet at long distance is not because it magically corrected for its earlier deviation from the ideal, but because it is less affected by the external influence of wind for the remainder of its flight.

Yes! Forgot to mention. That tank video is very cool. Almost as cool as your one hole 5 shot group at 100 yards with the RW and RD Monsters. Almost hole in hole! Now THAT is very cool...

Im not really sure I’d call this a debate. Well, if you consider “debating” that the Earth is flat, then maybe it’s a debate. Otherwise it’s just physics.

Simple to solve... Get those guys to video your slugs leaving your barrels! They did a tank, an air gun would be easy least!

When a pellet leaves the barrel the drag of the skirt falls in line behind the mass of the head so slight disturbances at the crown and from air blast don't completely prevent it from stabilizing to follow the path of momentum that the head had as it traveled down the length of the barrel. Now that scope cams have recorded the spiraling that used to set in, the designers have come up with better polygonal type rifling and slower twist rates to reduce spiraling and allow decent groups out to 100 yards with pellets. But the low bc compared to a slug makes pellets bleed energy in the second half of flight resulting in longer time of flight. And the lower bc is more effected by the wind.

Slugs aren't drag stabilized so whichever way they leave the barrel, they will keep going that way. Indoors in still air, pellets are still beating slugs. So it is not that slugs magically shoot a smaller group at 100 yards than they do at 50. It is the fact that any wind will move the pellet twice as far as a slug so that even though the slug isn't grouping as well as a pellet outdoors at 50 yards, .5 inches versus .3 for the pellet, that same slug can still do a 1.5 inch group at 100 yards where the pellet may open up to 2-3 inches.

Ahhhh…. It sounds like there are two topics being discussed. The first is the "wobble" or perhaps "spiraling" when the slug leaves the barrel for the first part of the flight until it "stabilizes". I'm pretty sure that's be confirmed and video'd as with the tank video that Edosan posted above.

The other topic (my fault) is the "more accurate at 100 than at 50" that has been discussed time and time again here. Why I say that's not really a debate is because its proven science that its not true - ever. Sendler2112 argument above could certainly be true, and it makes sense under certain conditions. What I'm talking about are the shooters that say their actual 100 yard groups are smaller than their 50 yard groups. And my "flat earth" comment was just a way of saying that proven science isn't typically "debated". Think of it. In the hundreds of years of shooting projectiles, its never been scientifically documented. If it is possible, by now wouldn't someone have done it?

That’s is a COOL video!!!!! Crazy to see some water melon can deflect a projectile that big and fast, then it re-stabilized itself.