Slug Ballistic Expansion Test with Pigeon Cadaver.

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AirgunBill

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As those who have been reading my posts on the Pellets, Projectiles, Slugs... forum know I have been doing some ballistic testing into ballistic gel. My contention has been that we are not getting the expansion people are thinking with slugs on smaller pests birds and game unless you are hitting bone. I have always thought the loud impact pops is more a factor of increased fpe and downrange or kinetic energy. I compared the .22 cal. NSA's 23 grain to the new FX Hybrids. Anyway I did some testing on a dead pigeon and here are the results. Some may find this a little disturbing to watch but gaining information to make our shots more effective and humane is not a bad thing. Bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EGHhh0mBQc&ab_channel=GunPowder%26AirPower
 
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Interesting but two shots are only suggestive. The other consideration is does it matter? I don’t know. Hitting a pigeon with a 22 pellet or slug would be equivalent to hitting a human with a canon ball. 

I’d like to see the performance of the projectiles on ballistic gelatin 

more testing needed but your point is a good one.
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Yes two shots is not much to go on for a definite answer but the test is better than going on non supported ideas and hyped testing. If you have read any of my other posts I do say it does not matter much in the case of a well placed or even marginal shot made on sparrows, starlings, pigeons and the like. You need to watch the video I posted in the Pellet, Projectile... forum. I did the same basic test on 'Clear Ballistics' brand calibrated 20% gel. The results were very similar. The only issue I discover was the 20% gel is a Nato spec. gel which is twice as dense as the Alphabet org standard 10% version. I have some the Alphabet org 10% gel on order. Bill
 
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Nice test. Nothing quite like the real thing. Cadaver results vary a lot of coarse. The more you do with the same slugs the more an average becomes apparent. I'm sure you're going to do more of these tests. Could I make a positive suggestion to use a "fresh" cadaver for each slug shot. I always need to with birds, due to the damage caused by the first shot.

I bet if you shot that cadaver at 100 yards the results would be fairly close to your "calculated 100+ gel. test you posted about. 

I shot a Starling cadaver video a few days ago to test a .25 cal. slug on something that small. I thought about putting it on Youtube. Didn't know if Youtube would approve something like that. Obviously they do. 

Good start. Keep it up. 
 
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+1 Thanks for posting. I have been unable get a Volunteer lately. 
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Nice test. Nothing quite like the real thing. Cadaver results vary a lot of coarse. The more you do with the same slugs the more an average becomes apparent. I'm sure you're going to do more of these tests. Could I make a positive suggestion to use a "fresh" cadaver for each slug shot. I always need to with birds, due to the damage caused by the first shot.

I bet if you shot that cadaver at 100 yards the results would be fairly close to your "calculated 100+ gel. test you posted about. 

I shot a Starling cadaver video a few days ago to test a .25 cal. slug on something that small. I thought about putting it on Youtube. Didn't know if Youtube would approve something like that. Obviously they do. 

Good start. Keep it up.
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Yes I agree more testing needs to be done to show the trend. And as I said in another post do a test like this with lower winter temperatures can be a problem with the cadaver freezing. The day I did this testing the temperature was 50 degrees and I did the test immediately while the pigeon was still warm. As far as posting videos like this on YouTube all my hunting videos and other of this nature are downloaded in the unlisted section. This means unless I send you the link you can not view it in the public section of my site. Bill
 
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Yes I agree more testing needs to be done to show the trend. And as I said in another post do a test like this with lower winter temperatures can be a problem with the cadaver freezing. The day I did this testing the temperature was 50 degrees and I did the test immediately while the pigeon was still warm. As far as posting videos like this on YouTube all my hunting videos and other of this nature are downloaded in the unlisted section. This means unless I send you the link you can not view it in the public section of my site. Bill
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One almost needs to set everything up, and then hunt down the cadaver. I like the small pest type of testing you're working on here. 

I was testing a slow slug today. Only 776 FPS out of a stock .25 cal. PCP. Same speed my gun that those normally shoot from would be doing at 120 yards. That way I don't have to go out to 120 yards. Just 22 yards for the same result. You did that in your other post.

Thanks for the Youtube info. about - downloaded in the unlisted section.  That makes sense. 
 
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