Well had I known this would have turned into a bees nest I should have just contacted one of the major sellers. My intent was not to upset anyone by my terminology. But thanks for all the feedback.
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@Alan, you just crystallized a thought that has been bumping around in my head for a while now. Big-bore air guns shooting true bullets totally blur the lines between PBs and air guns. Yes, the big-bores still don't have the same range as the PBs but that's just semantics. The cheap little "Saturday Night Specials" of the '70s and '80s had an effective range measured in feet, not yards, yet they were deadly and eventually outlawed. I dread the day that a story hits the online wires reporting that someone or, God forbid, a whole family is gunned down by a disgruntled ex-this-or-that using a large bore air rifle. Knowing our modern Media it'll probably end up being called a "BB gun" because that will make the story even juicier. None of this will be the fault of air gun enthusiasts who enjoy expanding the limits of air gun performance! Humanity is a broken and debased race and virtually every good intention and invention has been twisted to serve venal and evil people at some time and place. Just look at Alfred Nobel and his miraculous and time-saving invention: Dynamite! All we can do is be careful and considerate in our shooting, ready and willing to educate others about air gun fun and safety, and prepared to confront yahoos who insist on doing stupid things with air guns to our communal detriment.
@Alan, you just crystallized a thought that has been bumping around in my head for a while now. Big-bore air guns shooting true bullets totally blur the lines between PBs and air guns. Yes, the big-bores still don't have the same range as the PBs but that's just semantics. The cheap little "Saturday Night Specials" of the '70s and '80s had an effective range measured in feet, not yards, yet they were deadly and eventually outlawed. I dread the day that a story hits the online wires reporting that someone or, God forbid, a whole family is gunned down by a disgruntled ex-this-or-that using a large bore air rifle. Knowing our modern Media it'll probably end up being called a "BB gun" because that will make the story even juicier. None of this will be the fault of air gun enthusiasts who enjoy expanding the limits of air gun performance! Humanity is a broken and debased race and virtually every good intention and invention has been twisted to serve venal and evil people at some time and place. Just look at Alfred Nobel and his miraculous and time-saving invention: Dynamite! All we can do is be careful and considerate in our shooting, ready and willing to educate others about air gun fun and safety, and prepared to confront yahoos who insist on doing stupid things with air guns to our communal detriment.
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I prefer to think of the Big Bore airguns as more equivalent to muzzle loaders than a .308 or a Black Gun. Most big bores get 3 or 4 shots per tank of air, and from what I've seen are a pain to load. Yes there are stupid muzzle loader shooters, but far fewer than stupid PB shooters. Just look at YouTube. How many muzzle loader stupid videos do you see, then look up stupid gun videos.
Back to the subject of Moderators -
Understanding how intent fits into the picture helps lots, and understanding the different thread sizes for various purposes helps as well. I appreciate that component of the legal argument, as I didn't understand before.
This may have been a bees nest, but some good information was exchanged. Thanks!
I prefer to think of the Big Bore airguns as more equivalent to muzzle loaders than a .308 or a Black Gun. Most big bores get 3 or 4 shots per tank of air, and from what I've seen are a pain to load. Yes there are stupid muzzle loader shooters, but far fewer than stupid PB shooters. Just look at YouTube. How many muzzle loader stupid videos do you see, then look up stupid gun videos.
Back to the subject of Moderators -
Understanding how intent fits into the picture helps lots, and understanding the different thread sizes for various purposes helps as well. I appreciate that component of the legal argument, as I didn't understand before.
This may have been a bees nest, but some good information was exchanged. Thanks!
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Farmer44 - don't let us drive anyone off posting questions, even if the discussion becomes a bit noisy. If it gets too noisy, we have moderators for that. The information brought up in the discussion really helped me better understand the legalities around "Moderators". I shoot a moderated airgun and that was one major reason I chose the model I did.
DonnyFL, thank you for the information around "Intent" and the legal precedents. That part I didn't clearly understand. Knowing that the Supreme Court has limited enforcement by requiring that the prosecution show intent in many cases, it helps me understand how high quality moderators can be made for the US Airgun Market without too much fear of legal entanglements. Makes me happy that carrying a soda bottle that I could turn into a moderator won't get me arrested.
Greatly appreciate all who participated on this one, Helped me quite a bit.
DonnyFL, thank you for the information around "Intent" and the legal precedents. That part I didn't clearly understand. Knowing that the Supreme Court has limited enforcement by requiring that the prosecution show intent in many cases, it helps me understand how high quality moderators can be made for the US Airgun Market without too much fear of legal entanglements. Makes me happy that carrying a soda bottle that I could turn into a moderator won't get me arrested.
Greatly appreciate all who participated on this one, Helped me quite a bit.
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