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Sighters...

OK, its come up in the Air Capacity post, so lets get it out there.  Sighters.

In my previous topic on air reservoir capacity on page 2, it came up about shots per round, sighters and air efficiency. When I mentioned "100 sighters" some of you probably thought I was exaggerating. I wasn't. I've seen many top pros shoot so many sighters below the target line that they ran out of space, and this includes previous EBR winners. So 100 is not an exaggeration.

Its been mentioned by Bob Corcorran, one of the best shooters I know, that the initial EBR design was to get shooters to shoot "long range" with guns that most likely represent what they'd be hunting with. And to go along with that hunting philosophy, how many "sighters" do you get when shooting at a wary ground squirrel at over 100 yards? The answer is a big fat none. I for one think the number of sighters shot is starting to border on ridiculous, but its within the rules, so its done legally.

So how do we change (or don't we?) the rules to increase a shooter's skill factor? If you could only shoot five sighters per card, you'd actually have to learn to judge the wind. I don't see wind reading being done at these tournaments, what I see is 3 or 4 sighters per shot(s), then stop, shoot some more sighters, then a few target shots, rinse and repeat. We aren't judging the wind, we're learning to shoot sighters. If we limited it to 5 sighters per card, shooters would truly need to learn wind reading and judgement - much more like real world hunting! FYI, I'm just as guilty of lots of sighters as the next shooter... ;)

This was evident at the Western National Long Range Championship in Temecula California on 31 March 2019, won by Bob Corcorran. We shot at 115 yards, across a canyon, at clay pigeons, in breezy conditions, no sighters. and because of the hay bales behind the targets, you couldn't even see where your pellet hit (.22 and under only). That was shooting, judging the shots in the wind, and judging how the wind affected your shot in its purest form. We had shooters that had done very well at 100 yard BR competitions (two EBR winners and one EBR runner-up) where unlimited sighters were allowed that didn't finish in the top 5. Food for thought...

Link to Western National LR Airgun Championships
 
Bench rest has nothing to do with hunting. It's about repeatable accuracy and personal precision.

IIRC the intent of "shoot "long range" with guns that most likely represent what they'd be hunting with" was to open the sport to the average Joe and the gun he already has and knows how to use. Field Target started the hunter class with the same intent: trying to avoid the equipment race that Open class FT has turned into.



If you want air gun BR to be more of a wind reading skill kinda thing, then limit the power and caliber (no slugs, pellets only) of the guns involved and reduce the time allowed to shoot each card.






 
Good thoughts.

There was a time when no fills were allowed. I don't normally shoot benchrest so I'm not sure of that history, just recall it being discussed. An air limit in conjunction with no refills would effectively control all that. More power-less shots. Energy stored in your tank is finite no matter the efficiency. I myself take a LOT of sighters because I'm in an unfamiliar environment. Real world - I can see and feel the wind. Shooting ranges aren't real world for virtually all we encounter hunting or plinking. 

I'm not really sure how we could go backwards from where we are now, Hunter FT being a good example. What might be best is to try not to get too far from the original intent. Whatever happens , it's still the most fun event I've attended.

Btw, in Temecula , we were all pretty confident (mostly) to be able to hit a clay pidgeon at 115. Scores were quite a bit lower than I really expected. The wind there is pretty tough, even with his flags for indicators. I always enjoy going there and hanging with LD and all the people who show up for a challenge.

Bob
 
Not knowing what discipline of benchrest you are referring to I will offer my comments. Benchrest is an equipment race plain a simple. Who ever can buy or make the most accurate rifle wins. I am a match director of the USARB matches held at the local club twice a month and under USARB rules you would have a heck of a time shooting 100 sighters and still shoot 25 record shots in the 20 minutes allowed. It is the time limit that dictates "how many sighters" you get. If the bell rings before you fire that 25th shot you just lost 10 points per target not shot. 

I typically shoot 2 or 3 sighter shots at the beginning of a card just to verify my poi then complete the card with no more sighters As do most other shooters and very rarely does anyone run out of time. 
 
100 yards is a totally different animal... We get 30 minutes, and shoot from a magazine. I'd say on average in windy conditions its about 40 to 50 sighters. There's easily enough time to shoot 100 if desired with the high capacity magazines and air tanks. Plus you can re-fill during a card. I shoot 25M once a month with LD, so I know it usually only takes a few unless its very windy and shifting, then maybe up to 10 or so. More for 50Y.
 
Back a few years ago when we were shooting PB in North Carolina they had a class for factory only no mod rifle. The winner of that class also was the grand prize winner even if 1000 yard custom tank killers shot better score. Usually ended up some farmer or his daughter won with a 308 or 22-250 Savage or some such. So a class for standard off the shelf guns could help ameliorate the movement away from us run of the mill hunters. Yes Yes I know there are lots of details to flesh out.