Aside from a shop compressor and filter, what else does the Shoebox require?

Forums Air Tanks, Pumps, Compressors, & Filters Aside from a shop compressor and filter, what else does the Shoebox require?

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    chasdicapua
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    With the Shoebox compressor one needs the initial shop compressor and the output filter to take the moisture out. Is there anything else that is needed for this set up? Driving to the dive shop is getting old.

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    dodge3500
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    I’ve looked at the shoebox and for me to be satisfied with moisture removal I would use a oilless compressor with a good particle filter,water separator and a decitiant filter before shoebox and then after shoebox a decitiant seive filter just to be sure.I would have about 2k invested for me to be satisfied with using a shoebox.this is just how I would do it,I’m not saying it has to be done that way.

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    ztirffritz
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    That’s quite a few trips to the dive shop to justify that…

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    dodge3500
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    The shoebox (freedom8) was tempting for me at 1150$ untill I looked into all that I would need to feel comfortable it feeding my edgun.:)

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    BigTinBoat
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    “ztirffritz”That’s quite a few trips to the dive shop to justify that…

    
I’m 35 miles from the shop. One fill per week at $8 per fill and $8 for gas is $832 just the first year. This is not including the maintenance on vehicle or my hours driving to, waiting for fill and driving back. It adds up pretty quick. The Shoebox MAX at $649 plus the extras ($100 shop compressor and $100 for filter and lines) would be paid for in the first year…….and you have a compressor that you could easily sell and get back over 1/2 of your investment.

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    billydjann
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    I used to pump my guns…. sometimes would not shoot because it was to hot to pump those damn guns or I was lazy that day….
    Bought a shoebox freedom 8 … I have over 82 hours on it now… keeps my tanks full at all times..
    Now I tend to shoot way to much…. oh the freedom you feel once the hand pump is stored away is priceless…

    Is the expense worth it.…. Damn right it is..
    Would I do it over again.…… I sure would…
    Do I shoot more….. you bet I shoot almost everyday…
    Do I worry about the cost now after all is said and done…. Hell no…
    Do I have water issues.…….. Hell no…………

    If you are considering it…. do it… well worth the investment….
    I was once in those shoes and refuse to invest………….. so glad I did…

     

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    chasdicapua
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    Dodge3500, can you say why a filter is needed between the shop compressor and the shoebox? I would think a filter between the shoebox and the tank would get the water out. I’m new to this and may not understand the finer points.

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    bill_dd97
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    You want to get the bulk of the water out before it gets to the high pressure stage to preserve your pump. Personally I would put some sort of filter/trap on the intake of my first stage.

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    linsfreak
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    posted pic many times but for sure gets any kind moisture and particles out of air.

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    ztirffritz
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    “BigTinBoat”

    “ztirffritz”That’s quite a few trips to the dive shop to justify that…

    
I’m 35 miles from the shop. One fill per week at $8 per fill and $8 for gas is $832 just the first year. This is not including the maintenance on vehicle or my hours driving to, waiting for fill and driving back. It adds up pretty quick. The Shoebox MAX at $649 plus the extras ($100 shop compressor and $100 for filter and lines) would be paid for in the first year…….and you have a compressor that you could easily sell and get back over 1/2 of your investment.

    
Yeah, that would make it easily justifiable. I’m about 2 miles from my nearest fill station and I can take a bus or bike.

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    chasdicapua
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    OK, so getting moisture out before it gets to the HPA pump helps preserve the pump. Good to know. This inquiry is all part of my search for a different HPA source other than driving 55 min each way to the dive shop and getting back with only 4200psi in the tank because it has cooled. Another option I’ve found is 6000psi nitrogen tanks. Pretty cost effective. $50 per year to rent it and $80 per fill. You get a ton of fills from one of those. Besides being 6,000psi, they are 494 cu ft!!  By my calculations, it will fill my great white tank 72 times!!!  BIG QUESTION: I’m assuming the nitrogen won’t have any moisture in it and that will solve that problem. Anyone know if this is true?

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    dodge3500
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    As far as I know nitrogen is a very dry gas.

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    30cal
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    I love my Shoebox Max! Works great! $700. with optional fan. I added a regulator/water separator then desiccant dryer then a 1 micron particle filter between the two compressors. Cost $110. I had the shop compressor already. I dry the desiccant beads after every fill of my Tiger Shark tank. Have had no issues with water.

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    toddinbr
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    30cal, 
    Im curious about your water trap and dryer. Can you tell me more about, if you have explained it before, please poInt me in the right direction for the thread.

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    linsfreak
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    We are pretty close to same setup! Works well, filters air before going into gun. I also grease the cylinder rods. My air compressor is in cabinet makes compressor quieter, also cabinet rolls around.

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    toddinbr
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    Linsfreak, what brand filters are you using?  I am thinking about getting ready to order a sb max 4500. Pi. And want order the right filters for my setup. thanks for the help

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    linsfreak
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    This filter should last a long time. The second filter holds water if any gets through first filter! I have never seen any.

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    30cal
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    Here is a thread I started when I first got set up. Should answer most of your questions.

    http://www.marauderairrifle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11212

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    chasdicapua
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    I’ve decided to go with the 6,000 psi tank. I stated in an earlier post on this thread that it would fill my great white 97 cu ft tank 72 times. That’s not correct. I meant it will fill the FX Boss from 140 – 250 bar 72 times. Still, that’s a lot of fills and should last 3-4 months. 

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    dodge3500
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    I may also go nitrogen!I can fill my 88cf 4500 psi tank from 3000 back to 4500psi 13 times with a 6000psi 484cf nitrogen tank.I can purchase the nitrogen tank for a little more than a great white tank and the fills run 75$.
    Lol that’s like 839 times I can top off my air gun for 75$.that’s about 9 cents per air gun top off.

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