Sell rifle.

His statement was contradictory. Learn the English language and stop starting arguments as usual. I said what I said to him and not you. After what I read that you posted about DualMagMike I don’t want to associate with you in any way.


Oh, my. ... 

You have a habit of jumping into a thread, second post, with what appears to be the intention of insulting the OP?

For example?

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/2a-and-ags/

When called on it, you get your panties in a wad and blame everyone and everything else. See my replies both here and in the other thread.

Rather than take the lesson that discretion is the better part of valor, you charge head long into the fray.

That leads to someone (in this case me) explaining things to you in a calm ADULT voice.

You could probably avoid all the drama by not picking up that bottle of Bourbon at breakfast...

Whatever. I will leave you to your games.
 
Hello,

I have a real pretty rifle that refuses to shoot. I have reached the limit with it. I have brothered the good folks on this site about it for the last time. So I want to sell it and hope to never see it again.

The question, how can I be honest and sell it without telling it don't shoot well at all. I don't want to lie but I would like to have at least some of my money back.

It would make a great door stop,or maybe a pretty pry bar. It would look great on a mantle board. Just don't bother shooting it.

Thanks for your advice.

God Bless Bobby



PS, the screws are tight.

Observe the bolded portion of the original, unedited post.

His statement was contradictory. Learn the English language and stop starting arguments as usual. I said what I said to him and not you. After what I read that you posted about DualMagMike I don’t want to associate with you in any way.

verum nocet
 
Bobby, let's get back to your gun ...

Lets talk about expectations first. What do you consider to be acceptable accuracy? What do you expect your gun to do?

After you answer that question lets talk about what the gun is actually doing? What sort of performance are you getting and under what conditions?

From there we can decide if your rifle can be made to meet your expectations. Don't quit until you know you've done all you can.

These rifles can be frustrating, in particular in the beginning. One of the most satisfying things you can do is figure out a "problem" gun. Maybe it never shoots as well as you would like but in making it better you learn lessons you can apply to all guns in the future.

What model is your rifle?
 
What gun, speed, pellets, problems, etc.? There MUST be someone who could help in some way, shape or form if you'd divulge the problem child & what it's doing/not doing to cause your endless frustration. As happens so often here the post got hijacked & off Topic by persons who obviously have issues with each other. If you don't want to name the gun, whatever your reasons, you could PM.
 
Cornpone,

Man did I open a can of worms,I sure did not mean to. I don't have anyone to talk about air guns but the good folks on the internet. I so did not want to start anything.

The rifle is my first pellet rifle. I bought it at a pawn shop. it looks like new. A Benjamen Rushmore. I was told that it was a higher end gun.

It is in .22. I don't have a choronagraph but it seems to shoot hard. I have tried all kinds of pellets and none seem to do well. If two pellets happen to get close together it is a pure accident. On good days I can keep them all on the target

I have a Hatsan 95 that shoots 1/2 inch groups at 30 yards. A Gamo Whisper that does the same. A cheap Ruger that I picked up at a flea market will shoot around an inch most any day. I have a Hatsan Flashpup that shoot less than a half inch with a wide of pellets, and a Stormrider that is a little more picky but it still shoots small groups everyday that I have tried it.

The Rushmore don't like any pellet that I have tried. I have tried several scopes.I have tried different ways to hold it. I always check my screws.

I keep trying to shoot it cause I really can't belive it can shoot that bad. It gets on my last nerve. I will not however post any thing about it in the future on this site.

Thanks for your support. I don't want to start anything so I will keep things to myself in the future

God Bless

Bobby

So for now I am a proud owner of a rifle the shoots patterns instead of groups
 
Cornpone,

Man did I open a can of worms,I sure did not mean to. I don't have anyone to talk about air guns but the good folks on the internet. I so did not want to start anything.

The rifle is my first pellet rifle. I bought it at a pawn shop. it looks like new. A Benjamen Rushmore. I was told that it was a higher end gun.

It is in .22. I don't have a choronagraph but it seems to shoot hard. I have tried all kinds of pellets and none seem to do well. If two pellets happen to get close together it is a pure accident. On good days I can keep them all on the target

I have a Hatsan 95 that shoots 1/2 inch groups at 30 yards. A Gamo Whisper that does the same. A cheap Ruger that I picked up at a flea market will shoot around an inch most any day. I have a Hatsan Flashpup that shoot less than a half inch with a wide of pellets, and a Stormrider that is a little more picky but it still shoots small groups everyday that I have tried it.

The Rushmore don't like any pellet that I have tried. I have tried several scopes.I have tried different ways to hold it. I always check my screws.

I keep trying to shoot it cause I really can't belive it can shoot that bad. It gets on my last nerve. I will not however post any thing about it in the future on this site.

Thanks for your support. I don't want to start anything so I will keep things to myself in the future

God Bless

Bobby

So for now I am a proud owner of a rifle the shoots patterns instead of groups


Bobby;

I am sorry we did that to your thread and I am sorry you were accused of something which was obviously never your intent. Sometimes people don't THINK, 'course I am not one of them, eh? ;)

I had a Beeman RS2 that I just could not get to shoot as well as I wanted. I mean it was a functional rifle and it was fine for hunting squirrels and such. It just wasn't ever going to be a tack driver. Mind you if I had it tuned by someone who really understood what he was doing, it probably would have become such.

It sounds to me like you have that sort of a problem. I'd suggest the following, if you are still interested in tinkering with the rifle and don't want to spend money sending it off. Being a gas ram I'd probably handle it this way. Take the rifle out of the stock and check for fit. Even when the screws are tight if the rifle can move around in the stock it will never shoot groups. If it looks like it needs it, glass bed the rifle. There are folks here who can tell you how to do that but I'm thinking you probably already know. I got the RS2 to improve substantially by bedding the rifle in this tape: TAPE I'm not going to tell you how hard it is to remove the rifle after that sets for a few months but you WILL need tools. ;) It immobilized the rifle in the stock that's for sure. There are probably better options. Also keep in mind that stocks change shape with humidity, you'll be wanting to make sure it is sealed real good. 

I've had optics that failed but seemed to be all right. One day they would shoot groups all day long. The next day they were all over the place. I've made the mistake of pulling them off, setting them aside and putting another broken one on the rifle that I thought was good. If you think your optic is the problem, shoot it with irons on a calm day off a bean bag or make darn sure the optic you put on to compare is actually good.

All the pellet sorting and weighing in the world won't mean squat till your rifle is shooting reasonable groups, just find the one it "likes" best out of the pellets you have and start working on the rifle. Don't change pellets until you see improvement. Then you will know the improvement was on the rifle and not this or that pellet.

Lap the barrel. Now with AGs that process isn't nearly as hard to do as with a PB. You don't need to cast a slug in the barrel. Just get yourself some JB bore paste and some cleaning pellets or really tight fitting patches and polish up that barrel till she shines real good. Don't over do it. Then one drop of moly or silicone grease and start shooting. Make sure you start the process with a few ten shot groups so that you can check the work with a few more after it is done.

Check the crown. If it's rough or uneven read up on recrowning the rifle and get yourself a small FINE stone ball to do the job. It's not that hard to do a simple crown.

All this talk about "artillery hold" is short hand for "consistency" anyone who has been shooting the darn things for half a century will tell you that. The reason for the light hold is the amount of moving parts in a springer makes said consistency harder to achieve than with a PB. The soft hold can get you bit by your PB rifles so keep that habit in mind when you switch back. The easy solution when working on getting one to shoot is a bean bag or a sand bag. They give enough that it is easy to get the same recoil pattern every shot with minimal stock contact.

I hope you have good luck with your rifle but if you decide to sell it and you want to be honest simply shoot a target with three or four five shot groups on it and attach a photo of that to the advert. Then you can not be accused of misinforming anyone about anything.

Mike
 
Thank You Mike.

Good advice for sure. I will keep trying to get it to shoot. I know that there is a group in there somewhere.

As far as my post goes it is my fault. I should have only posted if it was about a FX, Daystate or a Edgun on in a springer a HWxxx. 

If it was a powder burner I would know what to do but I'm new to springers.

My attempt at Humor seemed to be a "flyer". Again my fault.

God Bless you Mike

Bobby
 
You are judging the rifle as non repairable based on you attempts to get it to shoot. I know I'm not an airgun mechanic. Your statement should be , you are unable to get the rifle to shoot accurately. I have no knowledge of your abilities. put the gun up for sale stating : A-your airgun experience. B- exactly how the gun is shooting. saying it is shooting all over the place is not an accurate description. state what you have tried in order to better the gun. My guess is there is more than one individual out there who would like a project like your gun. You have not stated you attempted to tune it. It may be so far out of tune that it is beyond your skill level. I don't attempt to tune mine as long as the shoot well out of the box. I'm not a mechanic, I have limited patience. I sometimes adjust my regulator a small increment and record it in my book. Tell it exactly how it is so a knowledge guy knows if he has a chance to turn it into a shooter. you haven't mentioned the brand, caliber, if you got it used, etc. And you may have to take a loss on it. Better then taking a loss on your rep. Guys are probably tired of me saying pay more for an established brand from a reputable dealer. UNLESS you really know you have the experience to really make them shoot.
 
You are judging the rifle as non repairable based on you attempts to get it to shoot. I know I'm not an airgun mechanic. Your statement should be , you are unable to get the rifle to shoot accurately. I have no knowledge of your abilities. put the gun up for sale stating : A-your airgun experience. B- exactly how the gun is shooting. saying it is shooting all over the place is not an accurate description. state what you have tried in order to better the gun. My guess is there is more than one individual out there who would like a project like your gun. You have not stated you attempted to tune it. It may be so far out of tune that it is beyond your skill level. I don't attempt to tune mine as long as the shoot well out of the box. I'm not a mechanic, I have limited patience. I sometimes adjust my regulator a small increment and record it in my book. Tell it exactly how it is so a knowledge guy knows if he has a chance to turn it into a shooter. you haven't mentioned the brand, caliber, if you got it used, etc. And you may have to take a loss on it. Better then taking a loss on your rep. Guys are probably tired of me saying pay more for an established brand from a reputable dealer. UNLESS you really know you have the experience to really make them shoot.