Scope "settling" after turret adjustments ? Alpha 6

I just tried out my Alpha 6 yesterday,

the turrets are not very clicky, some what mushy.

What I found is that adjustments seem to be nonlinear and also when moving back and forth you dont get back the same setting

and it also takes a few shots for whatever adjustment made to settle down.

Otherwise the scope is very clear.




I’m no clicker, but the turrets don’t align perfectly with the numbers on mine. The clicks aren’t precisely crisp, but not terribly mushy from what I recall. I don’t know about adjustments settling in after a few shots. I haven’t touched the elevation and windage turrets for months. It’s held a decent zero for at least 5 months. I basically take my Brocock out mount it on a tripod or bipod and shoot. I know what my holdovers are for the way the scope is setup. The glass looks good to me and the illuminated reticle comes in handy. 
 
I just tried out my Alpha 6 yesterday,

the turrets are not very clicky, some what mushy.

What I found is that adjustments seem to be nonlinear and also when moving back and forth you dont get back the same setting

and it also takes a few shots for whatever adjustment made to settle down.

Otherwise the scope is very clear.


Well, you just about nailed everything I hate about my 4.5-27x50 Alpha 6. Having said that, however...

Once it does settle in to the turret settings, it seems to hold zero well enough. I call the settling "delayed turret action". (chuckle)

It is definitely NOT a scope for those who want to click for range! It is ONLY good for those who use hold over.

It does have fairly clear glass. I leave mine on max zoom (27x) most of the time and it is clear enough for the pesting I do out to ~40 yards.

Would I buy another Alpha 6? In a word, NO.

P.S.

My elevation turret has NO click and IS mushy. The windage turret does have click, but is also mushy.

The focus/parallax turret has looseness that makes fine tuning/focusing a little difficult at times.

I would be using my Athlon Optics Argos BTR GEN1 8-34X56, but it only focuses down to ~15 yards and can't do that at full zoom.
 
Got one in an even up trade for an Avenger and hadn't mounted it yet still figuring out which adjustable mount or 20 moa base to use. If not then the Burris Signature XTR that are rather pricey. I don't plan on dialing the turrets.

They seem similar to the mushy Discovery Optics turrets that I most certainly wouldn't trust.

I did use it as a spotting scope on several outings. Brightness and clarity seems alot better than average at the highest magnification and noticeably compared to my more expensive Vortex scopes.

Based on this forum reading posts this scope seemed to be targeted towards hold over shooters who like better than normal glass quality especially in the high magnification range. At a really low price point. 

This post reminds me of some much higher priced Hawke scopes that exhibited similar phenomenon.

2 Side winder 30s and an Air Max. They didn't seem to go back repeatedly when dialing them in. 

What I ended up doing was sending them for warranty and deemed nothing wrong within specs and was sent back.

Decided to just over travel the turrets then back them off to get to the right spot. 

After some time one of them began to work better. Maxed the turrets both ways to give some exercise just to see what happens. May be needed a lot of breaking in.

The other 2 I just lived with it and vowed never to buy Hawke brand. Just over crank the turrets then go back.

Others have stated this lack of reliable tracking with their Hawkes as well including sending in for warranty then returned stating nothing wrong. Same like my situation. Hawke losing customers this way.

If you are familiar with Cyclops Joe he states there is a 50% chance of proper turret tracking on a scope in the $800 and below price point. Here is an $800 example. Be happy you didn't buy the $800 Element Titan if perfect tracking is your priority. Makes you wonder how reliable the cheaper Element Helix at half the price really is especially with complaints theirs broke including reports of failures when used on spring guns and it is supposed to be spring gun rated.

https://youtu.be/eSGzTPkRxZY

Here is another scope reviewer stating what he does to deal with temperamental turrets.

He has his own opinion to not expect perfect tracking from scopes when spending under $1500.

This Sightron scope is not made in China. It is made in Philippines. Who would have thought.

https://youtu.be/4akmZSYEa0o

Some no longer trust him after giving glowing reviews on Arken scopes after they bought theirs they were not happy with their Arken scopes.

I suggest cranking the turrets all the way up and down back and fourth like how I did to my temperamental Hawke scopes.

The AIMS scope carries a life time warranty no questions asked based on warranty infirnation. Same like Vortex and Athlon. You can opt to use the warranty any time if the break in period is unsuccessful.

It is probably not spring gun rated I would use a Vortex.

There is another reviewer video aside from Cyclops where even the $800 Element Titan did not return back to zero.

Clicks on the Athlon Helos is said to be repeatable and so are the Midas Tac and Ares ETR.

If not at least you know their warranty won't be b.s like Hawke.

Had good results using Vortex in the past but don't normally recommrnd the brand unless they are cheap for less than half price. Their Chinese line of scopes seem to have quality control issues since they had been shifting from Philippine to China like how Arkens quality control seem to be experiencing.
 
I actually use my Alpha 6 for open division field target on my Marauder FT. The elevation turret clicks fine, but there are times where I'll miss shots that I should hit; sometimes I'll miss all four shots in a lane and and think what just happened. I have thought about getting a Hawke Airmax which seems to be the go to entry level scope for field target but I am worried about it's tracking ability as discussed in an earlier post. I also had a match where I was hitting everything warming up before the match and then was missing a half inch or more to the right during the match under the same conditions so I am pretty sure my zero windage wandered.
 
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After reading the forum regarding the Alpha 6 scope using search function it wouldn't be wise to touch any of the turrets once set for zero and just use hold overs including for windage compensation.

Have you tried a different scope to isolate whether or not it's the scope or the gun throwing fliers or perhaps windy condition?

If it's for sure a scope issue there is their life time warranty you probably get a new replacement.

Found something rather disappointing online.

I had high hopes for the Athlon Midas Tac. Unfortunately it appears to not track perfectly and glass wasn't really up to par.

The Athlon Ares ETR didn't even make the list. I would think that would have been the most reliable tracking scope for their brand. I was really looking forward to buying one some day once the price significantly went below $849 which is the cheapest I have seen it priced at. I think $600 would be a fair price. Too bad for the 25 yard minimum focus.

I would not recommend Hawke brand if reliable turret tracking is a priority. Note even their top of the line in my opinion excessively high priced Hawke Frontier did not track properly with noticeably sub par glass. I have not had good experience with this brand nor their warranty service. 

Noticed Air gun Channel used Hawke Air Max on his video reviews and clicking the turrets didn't seem to have noticeable effect and in fact resulted in some fliers. 

https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/gear/the-best-precision-riflescopes-for-2020/

Surprised the Sightron S3 didn't make the list. It is made in Japan and I guess it may be considered too much of a budget scope compared to other brand labels originating from that country.

When reading the optics forums including this one the Sightron S3 were on clearance for half price not that long ago. 

It is probably a scope you may want to buy if you like to dial in your shots. I would think the turrets could possibly be reliable enough. They come with a life time warranty unlike the slightly cheaper Falcon brand counter part that is only warrants for 10 years limited to the original owner. 

If your wanting to dial in the turrets and budget is really tight Camera Land NY might still have deals on the Sightron S Tac as a combo deal for as low as $299 that were $274 few weeks ago for just the scope. At least the elevation seemed to track perfectly according to the video review posted above. The FFP zero stop illuminated ones were on sale at slightly discounted prices as well.

In my honest opinion if willing to pay full price for any thing it better darn well be absolutely perfect and well worth the price. 

More power to every one who can actually afford to pay more money than what they are really worth.

When you already seen things discounted at half price and you know they are still making profits kind of makes you wonder about every one else who paid full price for them. How high are the mark ups really.

Life time warranty for items they can just trade you brand new replacement for no questions asked. Are they that cheap and not even worth repairing to send back the same item you sent in. Or just send your broken item back saying nothings wrong.

Or later refurbish then not offer the life time warranty any more practically as is no warranty if bought refurbs only slightly discounted.

What bugs me the most are the companies that don't stand behind their products and ones who only offer limited original owner warranty or only 3 or 5 years. Or 10 year warranty limited to the original owner for ridiculously expensive ones. 

Noticed Bushnells life time warranty is now considered life time for 30 years according to their definition. Probably need to keep all proof of purchase receipts.

You hear the best warranty is the one that you will never have to use. This is a fact.
 
Well that's what you get for a Yo'Doyle special. It's a pretty meh scope IMO. I had two. Sold one and the other one was so bad after a year it went to the bin. Knobs way to tight, crappy clicks, marks that don't line up. Yep - you got what you paid for.

The Barra deal was a much better scope.

Yo Doyle said not to click them and other than saying that the IQ was way better than scopes in it's price range and even some 2x as much. Since he never mention if it could focus on the target and reticle at the same time, if it maintained zero and focus when zoomed, or if the reticle lines where accurate. I never even considered them. If I just cared about how good the IQ was I already own binoculars and spotting scopes that do that better.


 
Turrets appear to be just like the Discovery HD scopes and decided to mounted it on my Gamo Urban and I think I got a good one. 

Did several zero box tests short of fire starter and nipple twisters and iheld up fine.

Tracked better than a couple of my more expensive Hawke Side winder 30s and an Air Max.

If you having tracking issues send it in for warranty.

I wouldn't constantly click it just the same as not clicking a Discovery HD or West hunter scope. 

Noticed the Discovery HD 5-25x50 and AIMS 4.5-27x50 scope body appear nearly identical but the image quality on the AIMS appears sharper when set at 25x.

If planning on purchasing a SFP Discovery HD the AIMS Alpha 6 has better glass and is cheaper. A review states a FFP top of the line of the HD 5-30x 34mm does not have good glass. Warranty differs as well the Discovery HD only has a 3 year warranty. AIMS has a life time warranty.

I don't know if the Discovery ED line has the same glass as the AIMS. The ED line carries a life time warranty.

Anxious to compare the 2 in bound Vector Optics Continentals to the AIMS. I expect the turrets and glass to be a lot better because of the huge difference in price.

In my opinion if you don't have the money to buy a decent 27x scope with at least good image quality that tracks like a Discovery HD I don't know of a 10 yard focus 27x at $200 any way so that is moot.

I wouldn't mind trying the Athlon Ares ETR but it only goes from 25 yards and can't find them for under $849. So I chose to back order the Vector Continentals at roughly half their regular prices instead. 

Details on another post.

Probably need to try one your self and if you get a good one then great. Other wise warranty time just like sending back low to middle priced Vortex that are made in China and Athlon and Hawke and Arken and so on. Due to QC issues in x amount of sample lot.

Look at relatively expensive US Optics even their TS series sourced from China some times slip through their own QC check lists too.