Scope Quality vs. Magnification

JoeWayneRhea

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Seems to come up a lot in threads here and other places and just in good ol deer camp talk . Here's a one eyed boys take on it , chime in with your opinions .
First I have owned scopes from the give away type , to the bury me with that scope in my coffin quality :)
The perceived need for more magnification comes at a pretty steep price almost Always ...Now I'm no talking about SB/Night force/March type stuff that cost as much or Way more than a New Impact . I'm talking about the scopes most mortals buy and use . If you pick a price point and decide you " Have " to have the 14-85 power scope and it is selling for the amazing price of 260 dollars . Guess what ? Its gonna be like looking thru a car windshield that's been wiped down with Vaseline and spitoon juice . There is NO WAY to make a reliable , high quality , repeatable , good optic product that will withstand recoil for that price . There just isn't ...Scopes , and I mean every scope has limitations on what it can resolve optically . If you magnify these flaws past a certain point what you are actually looking at becomes a deteriorated sight picture . Its just a fact of what you are trying to achieve with super high magnification.
Given the limitations though a slightly lower powered scope is always going to be clearer and causes a hell of a lot less eyestrain . I go to our local shooting range and guys are shooting 8-32 and 10-40 power stuff and so on . When they take a break and come over to look at my stuff I almost always here the same comment ..." Wow that's a clear scope "!!! When actually its usually in the same price range as the scope they use just at a power range that doesn't test the upper end of the design .
There's a reason the March scopes can fetch the prices they ask ..They do Everything well , and for those prices they should and do . But for the rest of us the perceived " need " is just that a perception .
Give yourself a break and realize that the pellet rifle you are shooting isn't capable of shooting one hole groups much past 50 yards no matter how BadAss it is . Wouldn't you rather see a higher quality sight picture ?
Remember the really large rear projection TV sets from years ago ? Big screen and bad picture . Its a lot like that . But like I said its my opinion . What's yours ?
 
It's true. I'm probably a lot tighter than you on budget...I've only owned one Leupold and it was a pistol scope I got horse-trading a bench rest rifle!

The last build I did was with my son and we took a Savage Model 12 and put a Tasco 6-24x42AO mildot scope on it. It was the cheapest mildot I could find. I don't use it over 10x and I believe 8x is where mildot is set at the 2nd focal plane. With 69gr Sierra BTHP, that rifle will shoot .5 moa at 100M.

I have the same ailment as Joe except I'm right handed and right eye dominant and the RHS affected my right eye. My vision through my right eye always looks like looking through a windshield with Vaseline rubbed on it, except for that 3 seconds after I gently wipe my eye to the side. I have to wipe, find my sight picture, aim, shoot! All real quick or I blur out again. A clear glass really helps me a lot, and the Tasco is a real challenge because it's super sensitive to eye relief.

I also shoot with both eyes open. That's a hold over from other training and primitive bow hunting before I got sick.

i have to admit, I fantasize about S&B or Zeiss scopes! They are works of art in every way! I design optical devices and I have a good idea of what goes into them!

Chris
 
Chris take a look at the Sample list.com they have some good deals from time to time . I've bouggt several scopes from them . I am the kinda guy that don't get attached to guns or scopes . To me they are just a toyto have fun with and I like a lot of toys ....But maybe one and only one thing my wife has ever said that stuck was this ...Your Dumbass can only shoot one gun at a time , why do we have a closet full ?.....
I sold off most all of my dust collectors and PCP rifles and now just shoot my little yellow Mini . I'm not nearly thru buying and selling and trying new BBguns . But I only have the one keeper . Well and my Dads old 30-06 . It ain't going nowhere long as I'm kicking .
My grandfather ( an incredible shot ) told me he didn't trust variable power scopes ...Said it just one more way for the picture to get outta focus . As I'm getting older I find myself using fixed power scopes almost exclusively now. . Seem to get more bang for the buck . Of all the scopes I've owned I had a 30mm Kahles 8X56 when nobody state side carried 30mm rings . I paid a gunsmith 200$ to machine me a set of rings for my old Ruger number 1. It was the most impressive scope I have ever seen . I truly wish I had hung on to just that one scope
 
Not all the Zeiss stuff is Chinese . The super cheap ones may be . But the truly spooky stuff comes from Zeiss . What brands the best is really a matter of budget and needs ...But a cheap high mag scope will make ya a pretty decent billy club , or maybe if you take it into direct sunlight you can burn up some ants or something .???
But a good scope they are not .
 
I'm interested to see what kind of quality this Weihrauch branded 3-9x40AO scope is. I hope it is complimentary to the rifle. We'll see.

I have a few keepers too. I have a Win94 30-30 that my great grandfather purchased in 1947, and it was my first "deer rifle", and I have my first 22LR that I got when I was 12, and my first 20GA and 410Ga single barrels that I grandfather purchased when I started hunting.

Chris
 
Hi Tony, thanks for the helpful, knowledge based response. Actually, I can tell the difference between good glass and bad glass, and I can also tell you, from experience, that the optical glass used is only part of what makes an optical system like a magnifying scope appear clear and distortion free. I work on and design TIR based systems and there's more to it than simply saying Chinese glass is bad. TIR means total internal reflection, sorry. Nearly all of the glass like BK7 is now manufactured in China. Over the last five years, I have had problems sourcing American glass when I order American 'made' prisms, the BK7 glass is sourced from China now. Not many American glass makers anymore. Not saying there aren't ANY, but most have moved shop to China so far as I know. Of course, I'm using much larger pieces of glass than what's found inside a scope which are very small in comparison. Please note, I do not design rifle scopes, but other systems used in criminal and military applications.

We'll see what the glass looks like. I'm sure it's a re-branded scope. I couldn't locate the origin of manufacture on Weihrauch's site, but the box will have it.

Chris
 
OK to follow up on this post ....I OFFICIALLY HATE MARKSMAN !!! He ordered a March variable !!! Like I said earlier the European stuff has the glass , the Nightforce and SWFA have the guts ...March scopes have it all !!!
I can't wait to see it in person ! I hate being out-scoped but I'm tickled for any of my buddies who can get the best of the best !!
I know to a lot of guys the prices on these scopes can seem ridiculous, but if you spend an hour or two at the range looking thru " normal" glass and then plop your ass behind a gun sporting one o the truly Spooky pieces of glass the price seems a HELLof a lot more justified .
 
JoeWayneRheaOK to follow up on this post ....I OFFICIALLY HATE MARKSMAN !!! He ordered a March variable !!! Like I said earlier the European stuff has the glass , the Nightforce and SWFA have the guts ...March scopes have it all !!!
I can't wait to see it in person ! I hate being out-scoped but I'm tickled for any of my buddies who can get the best of the best !!
I know to a lot of guys the prices on these scopes can seem ridiculous, but if you spend an hour or two at the range looking thru " normal" glass and then plop your ass behind a gun sporting one o the truly Spooky pieces of glass the price seems a HELLof a lot more justified .


I havent ordered it yet but I will very soon. Waiting on a bonus from work to hit any day now. Im going for the 3-24X52 ffp nonilluminated fml-1. My second choice was actually a swfa ss classic series 3-15 power with ffp. parallax adjust down to 10 yards or below if I recall, good tracking etc. That scope is like 700 I believe....and I dont think anything near its price point could touch it. The hd version ss scopes dont adjust parallax down nearly as close.
 
Lol Erik I'm thinking that official 1000$ BBgun club guys have very few real " needs" !
It's a fun sport and a great way to spend up a good Chunk of your kids inheritance.
When I used to Prairie Dog hunt a guy who went with us his first AND only time was bellyaching the entire trip about how expensive everything was . We stopped In the local gun shop to get our out of state license an the shop owner over heard this guy bitching and moaning about how high everything was and looked him dead in the eyes and said " Shooting sports ain't a sport for pussies and tightwads , maybe he should consider starting a nice dirt clod collection "
 
S##t dude I'm gonna have o look at this thing in person !! I'm calling the Plasma Center here in a bit and seeing what my bloods worth !!!
I did just talk to my buddy who works with SWFA about checking again on HD scopes down to 10 meters ...it probably a design issue but h said it may be something they could consider in down the line .
Dude while this topics on scopes ....Check the thread I just posted under general discussion about " Guy Code"
 
Joe, wich model would you like? I'm a bit different from you all, you guys mostly want the FFP scopes, wich I understand fully buy I really like a Nice thin SFP for target shooting. So I'm more into the 2.5-25x42 model. Looks like a versatile paper punching scope.


Btw, have you seen this new reticle?

https://player.vimeo.com/video/163303151

http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14697031-march-3-24x52-fml-t1-new-xmas-tree-reticle

https://www.marchscopes.co.uk/tablet/march-3x-24x42mm-moa-or-mil-radian-zoom-rifle-scope.html
 
I've had FFP scopes before an if I was on top of a hillside shooting at folks for the military or shooting Field Target I guess I can see the benefit but do me I MUCH prefer SFP scopes for the aiming precision....At least for me it's easier . I also have a much easier time with a dot than a standard cross hair ( its why I send scopes to Leupold custom shop ).
The floating dot I see at the center of some o the really killer scopes i Truly Like !!!
I read about some guy that etches a dot on the glass of a Leupold that is truly floating but just can't pull the trigger and sen it to so.e dude I've never heard of In case it doesn't turn out right
I would say right now a March isn't in my future....But then again I said same thing about Swarovski an Zeiss before using them for a while .. The price seems to lessen when you look thru them and get that " Wow" thought echo in your head