School me on heavy .22 vs light .25

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ColonelPlink

ColonelPlink

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New to this site and the awesome world of PCP so please bare with me. 


Currently own a .25 FX Crown and fortunate enough This week to have come across an estate sale of both next to new, FX Impact MKII .22 with 500mm barrel and Daystate Redwolf in .25. 


Being I’m not a rich man I’ll have to sell the Crown to help offset the cost of these other two fine guns but... Im really interested in or at least I’d thought about buying a complete new 700mm Superior barrel for the Impact to shoot slugs bc I absolutely love the explosive results I’m seeing on videos while pesting grackles, starlings, pigeons etc around our farm. I’d like to have something backyard/neighbour friendly (restrictions on use of moderators up here) so I’d thought to use low power with pellets out to roughly 50yds then on max for further distances to dial in same gun to sling slugs... it’s all about the bigger puff of feathers the better. 


watching these videos, then combined from the bit of shooting I’ve done with my crown (mostly JSB 25.39 diabolos) and hitting feathers with a .25, man they hit Hard but these guys shooting .22 and using heavier pellets or slugs, say even 25g, they don’t “seem to have” the smack down energy even tho both .22 and .25 same weight projectiles, why then the attraction to the .22. Makes sense the .22 using a lighter projectile would fly faster and flatter (I’m not up on BC, yet) at longer distances then say a .25 or larger bore but I’m after the most accurate recipe available. Maybe set the .25 daystate up for slugs ?? 

I’m sure this has been discussed too many times already but the extensive searching I’ve done hasn’t given me the answers I’m hoping you guys can share with me. 


im not exactly sure but in time I just might end up letting the Redwolf find a new home, but then again once I get the gun I might not want to let it go. I do know the Impact can do it all for what I need it to do



Thank you in advance 
 
Part of the attraction to .22 is larger calibers are not legal in many other countries. It is also a great all round caliber for pesting, ammo is less expensive and less air is used for the most part. You can shoot lighter weight projectiles for the close in stuff or in barns or other building with less chance of damaging things with the .22 also. If one wants more power than the heavy .22 can deliver then the .25 is the way to go as you don't have to shoot the light slugs or pellets. I like the NSA 36.2 slugs for 200 yard plinking.

Doubt I would ever let either a Red Wolf or Impact X go as both are top of the line guns.
 
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My favorite cals are .22 and .30, if I have to choose only 1, then will be .22 why? simple because is the caliber that has more options in the market. You can go pellets from 11.75 gn (Gto), up to 33.9 (Beast) and slugs from 17.5 (NSA) up to 40gn (Varminknockers). With a lot in between that you can test and choose.

Pellets are good up to 100y (of course can be longer but they lose speed fast). The 18.2gn JSB Jumbo Heavy are great and I had have feathers with that up to 150y (love those little suckers)

Slugs are good up to 400 or even 500 yards ! I have shoot 30gn slugs up to 500y with accuracy, is just amazing and just for testing, real hunting / pesting for me is up to 200y (of course over that is possible for sure, but got old eyes! jaaja), but usually I am in the 50-150y range. No feather will stay up with a donno 25+gn anything.

.25 never convince me much on the airguns I have but need to test more

My 2 cents
 
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A heavy .22 should have a better BC than a light .25. But needs more power to drive it, pellets like the .22 monster redesigned need to fly fast to be stable.

Hopefully that helps, always good to see another Canadian on here welcome and great name!
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So the heavier .22 Pellet needing to be driven faster will burn more air then. 


Thanks Glem, also good to see another fellow Canuck on here... I watched a lot of Hogan’s heroes as a kid. 

 
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KEEP THAT REDWOLF!!! Have them bury it with you! Go buy a Daystate programmer or Heliboard for it. NOTHING COMPARES.
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One nice thing being the price I got the redwolf at I’ll have the option to have some fun and certainly won’t lose if and when I decide to sell it. 


Ive briefly looked at both the programmer and even less at the Heliboard. 


Looks like the heliboard offers far more tuning/power options/levels vs the factory programmed 3 the Daystate has?? 


Where is a good place to learn or purchase one from ? I guess all the electronics controlling this rifle kinda scares me knowing that one diode or resistor fails, the guns down until I find someone to troubleshoot and repair it. Other than that I’m still pumped to test this beauty out. 
 
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Part of the attraction to .22 is larger calibers are not legal in many other countries. It is also a great all round caliber for pesting, ammo is less expensive and less air is used for the most part. You can shoot lighter weight projectiles for the close in stuff or in barns or other building with less chance of damaging things with the .22 also. If one wants more power than the heavy .22 can deliver then the .25 is the way to go as you don't have to shoot the light slugs or pellets. I like the NSA 36.2 slugs for 200 yard plinking.

Doubt I would ever let either a Red Wolf or Impact X go as both are top of the line guns.



We certainly have much to be thankful for here in the western world we aren’t restricted to .22 cal max although the .22 is still a well rounded offering.....although after seeing the difference while experimenting with my .25 Crown throwing 25.39 then the 33.95 MKII, how much harder that bigger Pellet hits even though it doesn’t fly as flat (is that what is termed BC) I’m an ol smoothbore shooter so rifles as you can tell I’m very new to

I know especially with the Impact swapping calibers is fairly inexpensive but then it’s still an inconvenience having to retune and readjust scope etc VS grabbing another gun and going shooting, haha good decision to have though I guess. The .22 impact in the photos I’ve got looks like a 500mm barrel and knowing me I’ll likely end up getting the 700mm for it because am I correct in thinking that with a longer barrel it increases velocity and then I could turn the guns power back to compensate. I’d like to not have to Max my guns out in hopes of stressing o rings causing premature wear.
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My favorite cals are .22 and .30, if I have to choose only 1, then will be .22 why? simple because is the caliber that has more options in the market. You can go pellets from 11.75 gn (Gto), up to 33.9 (Beast) and slugs from 17.5 (NSA) up to 40gn (Varminknockers). With a lot in between that you can test and choose.

Pellets are good up to 100y (of course can be longer but they lose speed fast). The 18.2gn JSB Jumbo Heavy are great and I had have feathers with that up to 150y (love those little suckers)

Slugs are good up to 400 or even 500 yards ! I have shoot 30gn slugs up to 500y with accuracy, is just amazing and just for testing, real hunting / pesting for me is up to 200y (of course over that is possible for sure, but got old eyes! jaaja), but usually I am in the 50-150y range. No feather will stay up with a donno 25+gn anything.

.25 never convince me much on the airguns I have but need to test more

My 2 cents
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All very good points and yes the wide variety of offerings in .22 projectiles it is a great choice. 


different times since owning the Crown I was tempted to get a .30 barrel kit but air was a concern for me so I stayed with the .25.... I don’t think the Varmint knockers are available up here bc I’d love to try them. The NSA slugs in .25 (26.9 and 29g) I just received today look like they’ve been sitting for some time because man are they ever super dark gray and dirty. I wanted to try heavier slugs but my retailer was out of stock. I’ve got them soaking in soapy water and hope they clean up better than they look now.. 

I Just spoke with the seller and my impact should be here Monday and once I sell the Crown, I’ll be able to have him send the .25 Redwolf my way



the seller who’s simply helping the owners widow move this stuff told me that oh ya that impact is nice but something about that redwolf and everyone who’s picked it up then shouldered it has commented on how beautiful it is. I might end up not letting either of these rifles go once I get them. 
 
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ColonelPlink,

As an older air gun enthusiast, I would get the impact and wolf and keep your crown. If you part with any of the rifles you will regret it. 

Eat beans for a while, heck, I would live on ketchup soup to have all three of those. 

Good luck,

arrowhead1951

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well in theory that would be great if it made practical sense for me to keep all 3 but it doesn’t. I have guitars sitting here that don’t get played and I feel guilty having them sit here doing nothing when someone else could be enjoying them. I’ve never experienced ketchup soup I’d rather not start now but hey if you maybe bought my crown then I could treat myself to wieners and beans 
 
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My only advice is to just shoot that Redwolf A LOT! at all 3 power levels before making ANY decision to buy the $399 programmer OR HELIBOARD because it may already be perfect just as it came straight from the factory.
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Thanks brother for the advice and I have no intentions of changing anything on a gun of this quality especially since I’ve never even seen one in person. Ya I’ll be quite content just to own a gun like this without feeling the need to go changing anything. 


How are these models are far as reliability with this fancy high tech circuitry. I’ve always felt the more high tech something is, tje more there is to go wrong with it too but I can’t wait to get this world class air rifle 
 
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