Protect yourself from SCUMBAG SCAMMERS

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At AGN we take these matters very seriously. We are continuously working behind the scenes to do everything we can to protect you from becoming a victim. 

It is the buyers and seller’s responsibility to decide whether or not the other party is trustworthy. AGN has provided you with several tools to help research unknown members. We suggest checking out: the buyer/seller Profile, Accuracy score, buyer/seller Feedback section, and the Known Scammers List. Their profile will show you their total number of posts, as well as their Accuracy score. If the buyer/seller has not yet established a reputation on AGN, then we suggest you cautiously consider alternative sources such as: other forums, Amazon, Ebay, etc. We also strongly encourage you to talk to the buyer/seller directly before making any transactions. Remember if something smells fishy, then it probably is. If you need assistance confirming a member’s physical location simply “Flag” the ad, or send us a Private Message. 

Should you run into any questionable characters, please notify a Moderator/Administrator immediately. We will do our best to get back to you in a timely manner.

@IguanaPolice – We are truly sorry for you

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I'm sorry you got scammed. I took a chance and bought a red dot sight from somebody using friends of family and got it within a week maybe I was just lucky. I always check to see if the the seller has a history on a forum and has more post than only sales post. I find it suspicious if the person only post things to sell. In the past when reviewing Bank agreements I remember that debit cards have almost no protection whereas credit cards have some protection for bogus sales. So I never use debit cards if I can avoid it.
 
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II asked for a picture with them in it with the item and their drivers license. Both were happy to comply and I sent a pic of me with the license in the request.

Worked for me. HAVE used a phone call several times and asked questions about the item, this was other types of items.

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IF Id been asked for a pic of my drivers license as some sort of proof, Id have refused to sell it to you. (drivers license can be easily faked in Photoshop or other programs and if your not there to inspect the issued license, how do you know its real??), and your license has a lot of info about you, that sholdnt be out int he public. (and before any one says "its public info", trying going to the DMV and asking for your neighbor's or even YOUR kids DL info......) That security you seek runs both ways.....

Been in IT for decades, and security is always paramount. Hand over as little info as you need to get the transaction completed.

Now using the fone to help verify is a good idea, youve established a trail you can hand over to the local LEO shoudl it go south. Use the tools PP and our bank/CC give you. Establsih some contacts at your local branch; those will pay off shoulld you need to turn to them for help. But mainly, check the profiles on that platform, look for things that raise a flag (# or posts etc) and go with your gut.

Bascially establish what you consider acceptable proof , and stick to those. Id not be offended if you didnt wnat to deal with me cuz Im not comfortable giving my DL. If I was really interested in selling it to you, we'd find an acceptable way making it happen.

Truly a shame we've come to this
 
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Centercut,

He contacted me because I was looking. I was pretty anxious to get my hands on my 2 former attempts to buy, I got beat out. Haste make waste (and stupidity), right

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Did you post a WTB? Not trying to kick a man when he is down, just trying to look for things that open the door to things like this. I just posted a WTB on an archery forum because yes, I am desperate. I will have to be careful.
 
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Why would you send anyone $1000 by friends and family? It's your own fault trying to save 3% fee lol. I guess we will all learn from that. PayPal can not help you friend buying stuff and trying to use friends and family to get off the 3%. Smh
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It was absolutely not his fault!!!
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Guys out of respect for the original poster and seeing he is kind enough to share this misfortune with the rest of us so that we do not wind up there (Can We Please Skip The Rude Face Smack Comments That Do Not Help Him In Any WAY !!== Airmanator ).

And please skip the Arguments that come for these disrespectful comments as well just as a respect for the OP and his loss. 

It was very kind of him to warn us. If you can't say something nice or help him in some for with info PLEASE just do not say anything. You know Please.😉

Just pretend you are a caring human being for a minute or two lol.

Thank you .


 
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Ultimately, this is my fault. I did not do my due diligence and use all the resources available to me. I acted in haste because I had previously lost the opportunity to buy the exact same scope two times due to someone else saying "I'll take it" before I did. And yes, I risked $1000 so that I could save $600 vs buying new. The hard part to handle is that I had told myself that If I had no takers within a week, I was going to spring for a brand new one from EdgunWest. 

I did indeed post a WTB. I am embarrassed to be so naive concerning this deal and the policies of PayPal and BOA. I was under the impression that I was covered by PayPal and BOA, otherwise I wouldn't have made the payment. It took me a year to save this amount and that is no small feat for me. So yeah, I know I'm not as wise or brilliant as some of you know-it-all types. I wish I could be as perfect as you.

Haste makes waste and sometimes I have to be hasty. Between my work schedule, cooking for my family every single day, coaching (volunteering) in 2 different hockey leagues, covering practices when other coaches cannot make it, watching my daughter's gymnastics and volleyball (practice and games), I'm left with about 5 hours a day to myself, and I try to use that time to sleep at night. I tend to always have to make hasty decisions. 

Thank you to all for reading the posting. As embarrassed, and angry as I am, I posted this to try and help others from making the same mistake as I did.
 
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Sorry this happened to you. A valuable and expensive lesson all in one. 

Well, a couple weeks ago I posted a WTB as here for an FWB 300s. Overnight I received a response from DRELL with pictures of a decent looking 300s with a right handed stock. I would have been interested in it but it was a Tyrolean stock and I personally find them ugly. Pretty much as ugly as the old sofa with a floral motif that the pictures were taken on. I think the price was 500$. I told him sorry I wasn’t interested. 

Well fast forward to Saturday when I received another response to my want ad. This time from another scammer, TKAY who had just joined. I ask for pictures and received some late Saturday evening. Guess what? The same ugly Tyrolean on the same floral sofa. They were indeed the same pictures. This time the price was 950$ shipped. I told him he was a scammer and to go pack sand.

i wished I would have held off on my hasty response as I could have gotten a name and mailing address for the payment if I had waited two seconds to respond :-( 

still want to purchase a nice Feinwerkbau 300s. 
 
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<snip> I realize this is an unpopular opinion on this website, but in general I also avoid any seller who asks for a friends and family payment. At bare minimum it tells me they're an inexperience seller, and that they haven't read (or don't care about) paypal's rules/terms of service. Why? Because asking for an F&F transfer on a goods and services payment is a violation of paypal policy, and if you start getting a lot of F&F payments Paypal WILL notice and will put a stop to it. So it only works if you don't sell much, are on a new account, or are trying to run a scam. And all for what? Paypal only charges 2.9% plus 30 cents for goods and services payments. On a 2,000$ payment that is less than 60$. So what does that tell you? A lot of forums also specifically prohibit members from asking for F&F payments to protect the users on their website. Doing so may even deter some scammers, but at bare minimum it'll make it a little harder for them. <snip>
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+ up for accuracy. 👍
 
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In my opinion is if the buyer wants the insurance of paying with goods and services the buyer pays the fee.
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That is YOUR opinion and you ARE entitled to it, no matter how greedy and self centered it comes across as

It is far from the policy of PayPal. 

The convenience of receiving a payment via PayPal for goods and services is the burden of the seller, not the buyer. 
 
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I figured I would touch a nerve with some but if I want $xxx for whatever I am selling that means I want $xxx. I mean I could just raise my price to cover those expenses and say I will give a discount for F&F but that is still the same. Personally I have always sent F&F without even being asked because I have never felt I was being scammed on here, maybe if I get ripped off I will have a different opinion. The burden of getting the $ to me for what I am selling is on the buyer, or I will sell to someone else. My opinion. You don't have to like it. Oh and when I sell on craigslist the price I list is what I want not a starting price.
 
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You know what they say about people who live in glass houses. 
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