I'm genuinely curious, I wonder if it may have had a valve that was hidden behind the rear plate or something? I have never seen an RX that had a fixed ram. Please let us know if there is any way to verify this.
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I'm genuinely curious, I wonder if it may have had a valve that was hidden behind the rear plate or something? I have never seen an RX that had a fixed ram. Please let us know if there is any way to verify this.
DualMagMike might be able to shed light on this. I don't recall a fill/bleed valve on my RX. The RX was Beemans first venture into gas-ram technology. It was collaboration of Theoben, Weihrauch and Beeman joining together. If the rifle had an easily accessible valve I don't recall it. I know the Theoben Sirocco Classic in .22cal I use to own had the valve. I even ended up buying the $80 pump to increase the power as it shot a little low.
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When I chronographed a couple of weeks ago with a pro chrono and the light bars that you can buy for it, well it's high was 786, low was 766 avg was 776 with a es of 20 and a sd of 5. I, from looking at straight shooters, assume that it was a bit low. Has a associate here in PA who works on springers and pcps cleaned it up, replaced seals and inertia ring (I think that it's called that) and chronied it. Only a difference of 5fps of the average of what I got.
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I have not handled an RX or RX1 so I can't say for sure what the access is to the Schrader valve. If I had to guess I would have thought they were all similar? Pretty sure the info is out there or a quick note to D Slade would for sure answer the question, I'm just not sure about those models :/
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This info from GTA. Read through the posts. Keep in mind this is a Huntington Beach RX. Mine was the very first batch produced in 1989. I guess mine did have the valve access screw but I just don't remember it. Could be age related ! LOL !
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=126098.0
A picture from the GTA thread.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=126098.0
A picture from the GTA thread.
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That looks like what I expected but I could only guess at what was there. Although some changes did occur through the years most notably trigger design and stock, they are all (RX, RX1, RX2) listed as "adjustable velocity"...
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It can also be me about RX one and RX two.
When these RX models of HW came out they were less costly than an Eliminator or Crow Magnum. They were made to fill a market not as high priced as the Theoben Crow Magnum or Eliminator.
These lesser charges for the HW RX series enabled less expensive methods or parts or labor to bring out the "best" but still, honestly, who on this forum would question Theoben and defend HWRX series? Is this a cost or wage question compared to quality and precision?
I just had to ask(!)
John
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The RX line was made to fill a niche having NOTHING to do with the Eliminator or Crow magnum! The power levels alone would clearly denote this to most anyone. It could easily be argued the RX series was developed to bring the original Theoben gas ram technology to the masses and potentially turn those buyers into full blown Theoben fans/buyers.
I'll most certainly defend HW especially the RX line as a wonderful example of the only gas ram offered back in those days other then the Theoben line (although clearly marked and known it IS at least a partial Theoben product). To state any of the RX line as a in your words "copy" of a Theoben, or not a "true Theoben", or "isn't as powerful" as a Theoben is to be completely off the mark and false information period!
Was this ever meant to be a Theoben vs HW question, a Diana 54 or Eliminator .25 question? No the OP asked for people to mention chrony results for a .20 cal RX2 with H&N FTT or Beeman FTS pellets.
I just had to say(!)
I'll most certainly defend HW especially the RX line as a wonderful example of the only gas ram offered back in those days other then the Theoben line (although clearly marked and known it IS at least a partial Theoben product). To state any of the RX line as a in your words "copy" of a Theoben, or not a "true Theoben", or "isn't as powerful" as a Theoben is to be completely off the mark and false information period!
Was this ever meant to be a Theoben vs HW question, a Diana 54 or Eliminator .25 question? No the OP asked for people to mention chrony results for a .20 cal RX2 with H&N FTT or Beeman FTS pellets.
I just had to say(!)
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DualMagMike stated " It could easily be argued the RX series was developed to bring the original Theoben gas ram technology to the masses and potentially turn those buyers into full blown Theoben fans/buyers."
Bingo ! You nailed it ! That's exactly why Beeman got into the gas-spring market.
Bingo ! You nailed it ! That's exactly why Beeman got into the gas-spring market.
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I have both and I will happily defend the HWRX against the Theoben. I have had SLR's and Evolutions and still have an RM-100. They are outstanding guns with beautiful workmanship, however, they are not any more accurate and the trigger is not as good (out of the box) as the RX line. Most importantly to me, I can find barrels in any caliber, piston seals, and many spare parts which have become unobtanium for the Theobens. Want a Jaguar? Sure, for exclusivity, style, and future collectability. But don't let yourself believe it is a better machine than a BMW at 1/2 the cost. The BMW/HW has ALL the quality and precision, even if not as finely packaged. There is nothing between them in accuracy.
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Honestly guys, now please don't take this as me being unappreciative or ungrateful to the responses anyones responses. Much appreciated. But Mike is right. Honestly he's right about many of things. And 9 times out of 10 he can and will provide proof as well. But what I'm trying to say is that I did only ask about a certain rifles speed with a certain pellet. Now I don't mind much when additional information that is true, that is fact, us introduced. Not heresy. Not foolish assumptions and especially not pure idiotic stuff that wouldn't make sense even to a noob. So please let us get back to talking positively, and accurately and knowledgeably about airguns
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Well said, and for the record, mine shoot the 11.42 H&N's right at 700 FPS. Bear in mind I like to keep a pretty mild tune on the RX.
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I had an Evolution .20, RM100 .25 and an HW90 .25, great air rifles. Anyone know why Theoben used the HE gas rams in later models and HW stayed with the non HE gas rams?
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Lewis even though you like it that way, have you ever tried higher velocities and energy from 12-20ft/lbs and if so, what were the pros and cons and how was the accuracy? Only pertaining to the 20cal and rams.
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Also gents I was curious about the RM100 or 1000. Not sure which is it but a gas ram springer. HTH, anyway what is the deal with them. Pros, cons, etc.
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My understanding is that Theoben never licensed the HE gas rams for HW. Why I don't know. My guess is that they were very proud of the system and wanted to keep it to themselves.
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I have tried the .20 everywhere from around 10-20 FPE. For me the sweet spot seems around 12-14 FPE. To be clear I had no change in accuracy above 14 it just became harder to cock without any improvement in accuracy. I also mostly shoot with other folks at inexpensive FT type metal targets and they get beat up at 20 FPE.
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When Theoben closed up shop, several of the workers and engineers banded together and purchased the company. They renamed it Impact Airguns. They went on to produce what they believed to be the best version of the Theoben rifles. The RM-100 fits between the Evolution and Eliminator according to Impact Airguns. They came with lovely stocks and are remarkable guns. The company is still in business, supporting their guns and the Theoben line. Sadly only a few RM-100's were made and they are not easy to find these days.
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Theoben had a patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5193517A/en
Still does by the way!
No other gas ram system can use the Theoben Patent unless there is an artifact here.
No Gas Ram is capable of Theoben 1999 Eliminator power is available anywhere.
Gas rams have failed in the last few years trying to reach Theoben England patents.
You get ANYTHING other than the old 1999 Theoben Eliminator (which in my days cost over 1K in 2000) you get LESS.
The Patent is THERE and proven.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5193517A/en
Still does by the way!
No other gas ram system can use the Theoben Patent unless there is an artifact here.
No Gas Ram is capable of Theoben 1999 Eliminator power is available anywhere.
Gas rams have failed in the last few years trying to reach Theoben England patents.
You get ANYTHING other than the old 1999 Theoben Eliminator (which in my days cost over 1K in 2000) you get LESS.
The Patent is THERE and proven.
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