Renegade - another problem

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hawkeye69

hawkeye69

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I bought a Renegade on March 1st and began losing breech seals after less than 2 weeks and had accuracy issues. I found the cocking lever was binding, According to AOA the main bolt holding the lever was not Loctited at the factory as it should have been. They fixed it and suggested that accuracy issues and breech seals were caused by the binding issue. When I dropped off the gun last time I asked if they wanted the magazine and they said no, they always test by single loading on the Renegade.
Now I find that single manual loading accuracy is great and magazine accuracy sucks. (This is the exact same magazine issue that I had with my Brocock Bantam)
So now it's back to AOA again with my new high end PCP. Fortunately "for me" I live within 30 minutes of AOA but still, these are things that quality control should catch before they send the guns out..


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Well as expected I went to AOA and for them it fired perfectly. My method to eliminate any variables was to top off the air at 220 bar, then to fire 5 rounds from the mag on the left side, then 5 rounds single loaded on the right side. Then on the bottom set shoot the last 5 rounds in the mag on the left side, remove it, single load and shoot 5 rounds on the right side.

Back home and tried it again. The first thing I noticed was that it was now shooting way low (a good inch) and to the left. Adjusted the scope, refilled to 220 bar and it appears to good now. Quite honestly I am baffled. All I can do is to keep testing and track the results.
 
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I did some testing after returning from AOA and was still getting mixed results with the magazine while single loading was spot on. After a while trying various pellets etc., and feeling very frustrated, I felt a puff of air hit me in the face. Breech seal #4 since March 1st. Took it to the garage and changed the O-ring. It's a PITA to change by the way, just getting the old one out is difficult. Anyway, went back to testing and it's stacking pellets using the magazine. Problem appears to have been the breech seal.

Who would have thought?
 
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"Swami"The only thing that makes sense to me is the mag is fowling the probe by a hair and over time this is damaging the breach seal?
There are some videos on line of tweaking the daystate magazines. Might be worth trying?
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The initial problem I had with the gun was the cocking lever coming loose and binding. Steve at AOA repaired it just last week and Loctited the main bolt which he said should have been done at the factory. My hope is that the loose cocking lever was the source of the premature breech seal wear. Only time will tell.
 
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"Centercut"@hawkeye69, I know it shouldn't be necessary in such a high quality gun, and I haven't run into this with my Renegade, but perhaps you could use ​a 90A durometer polyurethane o-ring which have better resistance to penetration and tearing. Just a suggestion...
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Thanks for the suggestion. If it continues to be an issue, which I hope it doesn't, I'll give it a try... nothing to lose. BTW I shot 2 more full mags this morning, perfect again.
 
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Sounds good. Mine hasn't had an issue and I've put over 5000 rounds through it in the past year, probably more. I replaced the o-ring once when I thought it was blowing air but Ernest said with the magazine out a small amount is normal for the magazine indexing. I didn't have any problems removing it, but getting the new one back in was a pain in the A@#. 
Mike
 
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