REDWOLF MIDNIGHT BLUE STOCK MODIFICATIONS

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    Spray1Mark
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    Okay got the rail fitted to the blue stocks today, plus a modification the alarmists would like to see!

     

    NOW LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR!

    I am utterly against the opinion that there is a design fault with the REDWOLF stock at the wrist, a couple of broken ones amongst over two thousand and counting sold does not substantiate a design fault.

    You will break anything if you don't treat it within its design constraints OR ship it properly packaged.

    Anyways custom diameter 23.4mm carbon tube machined to exactly fit the battery hole in the wrist and epoxied in using 24HR (not weak quickset epoxy) will mean you won't break the stock at the wrist, with the O rings removed from the stock battery it fits perfectly.

    I will post some pics of the carbon tube and the shape/process shortly.

     

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    marflow
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    can I ask who destroyed those 4 Phillips head screws, my goodness

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    Spray1Mark
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    Okay lets not focus on the screws, perhaps the lighting makes them look worse than they are as to the naked eye I didn't notice.

    The point of this thread is that if any RW owners are quaking in their boots at the thought of their stock snapping then this simple modification would prevent this from happening, personally I don't think unless you plan to ship your RW around the world and use the worlds most careless courier and flimsiest cardboard box that it's needed, but we did it, just to show people.

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    nomojo65
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    Good Idea, like it! Well done!

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    AirGunnerOK
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    Very clean!

     

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    Lewis
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    This looks like a great idea. I am one of those who suffered from a broken stock. Mine was shipped in the factory hard case inside the factory cardboard box via USPS. So I don't think it takes careless handling to break them. I mean NO DISRESPECT, but It is somewhat at odds that you say there is nothing to fear and the design is not an issue however still feel the need to modify your brand new gun to protect against this same breakage. I would love to see this modification from the manufacturer.

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    Arzrover
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    Well done!

    I would agree with the OP on the design not being faulty. I've been told of the testing done on these and it was related that a HUGE amount of force is necessary to break the average one. I say the average one because I acknowledge that it's possible for one to have a defect that would allow breakage more easily BUT should not be common. There are MANY stocks broken in shipping but no one is railing on the manufacturers for a poor design for them, since it is , after all the shipping company that caused the damage.

    I'm sorry that yours was broken but if you honestly believe they are weak…. maybe prove it rather than just bad mouthing? The Statistics just don't show they are a problem.

    Bob

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    Lewis
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    Arzrover,

    Please look at the pictures in this thread very closely. The breaks are not similar they are identical. I agree that this breakage should not be common but unfortunately it is way too common. You are correct that there are MANY other stocks broken, but that is spread across millions of guns and a host of manufacturers. This is a single model of low production numbers with multiple failures in the exact same space. I LOVED my Rosso and it shot beautifully but why do I have to be labeled as bad mouthing for pointing out a design flaw?

    As far as statistics go, unfortunately the numbers are not on your side. 2.5 Million Samsung note 7's were made of which 25-55 overheated resulting in a recall of over 1 million devices. Even counting only the recalled phones, the failure rate is 1 in 20,000. I do not expect the same level of engineering rigor from a small company as I would from a billion dollar corporation. I DO expect the same level of accountability.

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/daystate-angel-of-broken-wings/

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    Spray1Mark
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    Okay guys some positive points thankyou, Lewis I can totally understand from the point of a person who has suffered this issue but when you say MANY? I can't find valid documentation on more than 3 tops?

    That would still mean 3 divided by 2000 would equal less 0.0015% of the stocks have broken and whilst you site SAMSUMG I don't see how a broken stock could be classed as a danger as in the phone issue.

    I did the modification because I understand some people may feel reassured by seeing it, as far as the manufacturer they will see this as I have copied the thread to Tony, however I know they don't have upset customers kicking down their door and shaking broken stocks at them in droves so I suspect like most of the Redwolf customers they just dont see the need for it.

    Anyways here is the part, the finish of the carbon has been flatted to aid the epoxy bond.

     

    You will see there is a cutout either end done on a milling machine and radiused to avoid any sharp edges, these match the cutout in the stock.

    Any questions please ask guys!

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    Centercut
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    I thought I’d post because I know of a RW owner that had the same breakage issue. Hopefully we’re not assuming that the only RW stock breakage that happened are the ones reported on AGN? I’m fairly certain it’s significantly more than just three. How many can probably only be answered by AoA, or better yet Daystate. Great mod with the CF tube by the way…

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    MartinT
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    Excellent smart mod! Well done!

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    Lewis
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    Spray1Mark,

    I was not the one who said MANY. Azrover said that MANY other manufacturers have also had broken stocks. I spoke of 3 and a 4th that I know of, Centercut knows of yet another, and points out that not all Redwolf owners post here on AGN. While they may not have droves of upset customers beating down their doors they still have too many for those buying the absolute top of the line offered by the company. Imagine if the same failure rate was applied to a model of Rolex. I have stated several times now, that my issue is not even with the failure, or rate of failure but with the level of effort from Daystate to correct the problem. Don't forget that in the other thread I explained that I had also spoken to Tony, face to face no less. This is not a ford vs Chevy issue. I have other Daystates which I may never part with. Many manufacturers have changed designs and/or made new offerings based on our feedback. Things like the Sideshot magazine and Donny FL moderators have been adopted as standard equipment on new guns. This community should be a safe place to voice our collective experiences without fear of being considered negative.

    On the positive side (where I much prefer to be) this is a great modification and I genuinely thank you for sharing it with the community.

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    Spray1Mark
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    I can only say Lewis that Daystate are not aware of more than 2-3 instances that this has happened.

    I am surprised though that you say about Daystates lack of effort, that is a shame, but hopefully just an isolated case as I have like many others I know have only experienced very good service especially from Tony.

    Thanks for your input.

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    FredAZ
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    Where did you get the CF tube, or did you make it yourself?

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    Spray1Mark
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    Hi Fred, the gunsmith happened to be using it for another job and by a stroke of luck the diameter was perfect.

    You could use 23mm OD if you could get it and just use more epoxy to fill the gap.

    He could make some, but the tube is expensive and shipping to the USA from England wouldnt be cheap either, all in about $50 I suspect, so I would try to make one yourself first if you can?

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    Motorhead
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    E-bay has metric size CF tube direct shipped from China …. used a lot of it in another hobby and quality is very good !

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    nomojo65
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    Quick question, is that the standard atlas pic. rail & T-nut set? 

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    Spray1Mark
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    Atlas rail yes, but the stainless inserts (top hat shape) are made from scratch, screws also cut to the correct length.

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    nomojo65
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    Thank you, I didn’t think they were standard T-nuts

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