RedWolf meets smoothX
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Hi James. Yes .22. Looking forward to trying the Jsb 18g in the pellet liner and see what works with the slug liner. Will be able to really make use of the 3 power levels.
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@airsupply I did say it a while ago, and is nice to see this happening!
STX has been proven to be the top "liner/barrel" for the moment, and was wondering when this will happen (I have in my to do list to adapt an stx liner on another rifle non fx...but my to do list is getting longer every day jaja)
I am pretty sure FX sweden has got a lot of asking from airgun manufacturers to sell them liners only (and I bet they will be closing several negotiations if not already...that is good business probably)
Anyway looking forward to see your results!
STX has been proven to be the top "liner/barrel" for the moment, and was wondering when this will happen (I have in my to do list to adapt an stx liner on another rifle non fx...but my to do list is getting longer every day jaja)
I am pretty sure FX sweden has got a lot of asking from airgun manufacturers to sell them liners only (and I bet they will be closing several negotiations if not already...that is good business probably)
Anyway looking forward to see your results!
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Nice!
Just been chatting with my gunsmith about this very thing.
I had majors issues with STX and my crown, but took the risk and picked up a 600mm slug liner for it and the thing is miraculously a laser with anything I put through it. Bottom line is I seem to have just had really bad luck with the pellet liner. I have bought two extra slug liners now, with the intent of adapting one to my redwolf like you have.
Should be fun
Looking forward to your results!
Just been chatting with my gunsmith about this very thing.
I had majors issues with STX and my crown, but took the risk and picked up a 600mm slug liner for it and the thing is miraculously a laser with anything I put through it. Bottom line is I seem to have just had really bad luck with the pellet liner. I have bought two extra slug liners now, with the intent of adapting one to my redwolf like you have.
Should be fun
Looking forward to your results!
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Nothing shoots better than the smooth x liners IMO.
It will be interesting to see what happens regarding other manufacturers. To supply them with there liners may create competition for there own guns. They now have so many models at different price brackets I wonder if the competition for one brand in particular might force them to sell to FX.
I have been thinking a lot about the difference between the RedWolf and my FX guns since owning the RedWolf. The RedWolf often being described as electronically regulated and that’s often where things are left. If you focus on t just the air delivery system and forget the electronics that’s when it gets interesting. Your Impact produces in .22 say 60fpe with a regulator pressure of 140bar? Larger valve transfer port and plenum 700mm barrel.
The transfer port on the RedWolf is 5.1mm!! and it can produce 60fpe with a 600mm barrel. Why because it is operating at much higher pressures. 250bar to about 170 at the valve. It is able to metre that air and deliver a super high pressure pulse of air that accelerates the pellet so quickly yet is very efficient.
I have wondered if you could produce a similar result with the Impact. Highest pressure possible say 190bar? Small valve and transfer port heavier hammer ‘but’ use the valve adjuster to control the dwell time. Wind it in so you get just a short pulse of high pressure.
Why do this. Because on the RedWolf it is very quiet. Has a phenomenal lock time and I think easier to achieve good Harmonics. Well off topic but hey it’s my tread.
It will be interesting to see what happens regarding other manufacturers. To supply them with there liners may create competition for there own guns. They now have so many models at different price brackets I wonder if the competition for one brand in particular might force them to sell to FX.
I have been thinking a lot about the difference between the RedWolf and my FX guns since owning the RedWolf. The RedWolf often being described as electronically regulated and that’s often where things are left. If you focus on t just the air delivery system and forget the electronics that’s when it gets interesting. Your Impact produces in .22 say 60fpe with a regulator pressure of 140bar? Larger valve transfer port and plenum 700mm barrel.
The transfer port on the RedWolf is 5.1mm!! and it can produce 60fpe with a 600mm barrel. Why because it is operating at much higher pressures. 250bar to about 170 at the valve. It is able to metre that air and deliver a super high pressure pulse of air that accelerates the pellet so quickly yet is very efficient.
I have wondered if you could produce a similar result with the Impact. Highest pressure possible say 190bar? Small valve and transfer port heavier hammer ‘but’ use the valve adjuster to control the dwell time. Wind it in so you get just a short pulse of high pressure.
Why do this. Because on the RedWolf it is very quiet. Has a phenomenal lock time and I think easier to achieve good Harmonics. Well off topic but hey it’s my tread.
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Fx will need to see if that involve to share part of the "pie" or that will make the "pie" bigger, anyway is a great problem to have! jaja
The impact can too produce more at higher reg pressures, but remember that until AMP reg the max pressure on the Reg was 150bar (after that no warranty) unless you change to a huma reg. Now I am just thinking outloud ... since I do not have experience on the RW electronics, but I think it control also how much time the solenoid is either open and close, with the impact, only closing to fully open the valve and keep it open for x time .. no.
Anyway, I think is a great idea to mix those (stx liner and electronics on RW) you might get the most accurate AG in the world! (is a nice potencial)
The impact can too produce more at higher reg pressures, but remember that until AMP reg the max pressure on the Reg was 150bar (after that no warranty) unless you change to a huma reg. Now I am just thinking outloud ... since I do not have experience on the RW electronics, but I think it control also how much time the solenoid is either open and close, with the impact, only closing to fully open the valve and keep it open for x time .. no.
Anyway, I think is a great idea to mix those (stx liner and electronics on RW) you might get the most accurate AG in the world! (is a nice potencial)
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I was thinking you could experiment with the material used in the valve adjuster to vary dwell time. Instead of the rubber ball go maybe a harder material or softer. This would influence dwell.
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Subscribed and very interested in the results.
I think the change will be subtle, at best, in .22. The barrels look very similar to the STX barrels already and are performing phenomenally. The new ART barrels in .25 are a big improvement to the originals and are also performing to that same level. This exact experiment has been on my mind for years and I'm glad to see someone making more progress then I was able to. I was a little disappointed to see that you were trying this in .22 and not .25. I think there may be more potential to see a difference in .25.
One positive for doing this is that you'll have the ability to index the barrel on the STX to get the most out of it.
Good luck!
Tom
I think the change will be subtle, at best, in .22. The barrels look very similar to the STX barrels already and are performing phenomenally. The new ART barrels in .25 are a big improvement to the originals and are also performing to that same level. This exact experiment has been on my mind for years and I'm glad to see someone making more progress then I was able to. I was a little disappointed to see that you were trying this in .22 and not .25. I think there may be more potential to see a difference in .25.
One positive for doing this is that you'll have the ability to index the barrel on the STX to get the most out of it.
Good luck!
Tom
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Doing this myself this very day! will be interesting to compare.
BTW IMO the Walther (pellet) barrels Daystate use are still the best in the world!
BTW IMO the Walther (pellet) barrels Daystate use are still the best in the world!
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Guys? This all sounds great but you do know many of us (well I for one) really don’t know what you are talking about . Other then you’re talking about using an FX barrel and slug liner on an other brand gun. No idea at all what’s involved but interested if you’d like to go into greater detail.
if you have the time and inclination
if you have the time and inclination
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Very cool! Looking forward to results, looks like the brass barrel inlet has been remade into steel to fit the profile for the RW breech. Is the other steel part threaded to the "inlet" or is it all one piece that threads into the sleeve?
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Thanks for the encouragement. Nathan it is 2 parts same as fx. Rather than try to explain I’ll take some photos of the separate parts and it will be clearer to all. 
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Very close to finished but we were unable to find some fractionally sized drill bits locally. There will be a wait for those now. Also I am away for 3 weeks so hopefully as soon as I get back I can shoot it!
It is basically the same as the fx pieces on the left just different dimensions. All the orings are the same internally There is a small shoulder on the Daystate piece to locate it correctly in the breach. When a pellet is loaded it’s position in the liner will be identical to the original fx.
Very happy with the way it’s coming together.
It is basically the same as the fx pieces on the left just different dimensions. All the orings are the same internally There is a small shoulder on the Daystate piece to locate it correctly in the breach. When a pellet is loaded it’s position in the liner will be identical to the original fx.
Very happy with the way it’s coming together.
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