Daystate Domination at EBR?!!!

Yep...pretty amazing that Claudio not only won two categories, but did so with a .22
When everyone else is running to up the ante to .30 this pretty much shows everybody that it's far more important to know your equipment and practice your butt off.
I'm certain the FX guys are scratching their heads and reevaluating, I know I did. I use my .25 Crown at 75 and 100 and my .22 Huntsman XL HR at 25 and 50. But in truth, the Huntsman has been out performing the Crown for me and I'm going to have to take a closer look at my process. I certainly shoot enough rounds every day (literally) to insure consistency in my process, but the targets don't lie and I'm about 7% better with the Daystate. This could easily be a product of distance and I'll test that out soon, which will require me resetting up the Daystate for the longer range, but if you want to guarantee yourself the best chance of scoring well, it's what you gotta do. Claudio's win has emphasized the point. Those that follow the guy (I'm lucky being bi-lingual) knows how much he touts the need to practice ones ass off but equally as important IMO is your ability to get the most out of any particular platform. This is something that's almost second nature to him and something that has me wondering if the six bills for a Labradar might not be a bad choice after all?

Yep...pretty amazing that Claudio not only won two categories, but did so with a .22
When everyone else is running to up the ante to .30 this pretty much shows everybody that it's far more important to know your equipment and practice your butt off.
I'm certain the FX guys are scratching their heads and reevaluating, I know I did. I use my .25 Crown at 75 and 100 and my .22 Huntsman XL HR at 25 and 50. But in truth, the Huntsman has been out performing the Crown for me and I'm going to have to take a closer look at my process. I certainly shoot enough rounds every day (literally) to insure consistency in my process, but the targets don't lie and I'm about 7% better with the Daystate. This could easily be a product of distance and I'll test that out soon, which will require me resetting up the Daystate for the longer range, but if you want to guarantee yourself the best chance of scoring well, it's what you gotta do. Claudio's win has emphasized the point. Those that follow the guy (I'm lucky being bi-lingual) knows how much he touts the need to practice ones ass off but equally as important IMO is your ability to get the most out of any particular platform. This is something that's almost second nature to him and something that has me wondering if the six bills for a Labradar might not be a bad choice after all?

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Check the actual facts ~ http://www.extremebenchrest.com/2018-extreme-benchrest-results/

There were 14 of 30 shooters in the EBR finals that shot .22. All Red Wolf shooters were .22 which made up 12 of 14 .22 shooters; a FX Impact .22 and Claudio's Bantam rounded out the 14.

There were 13 .30 shooters this year, so there were actually more .22 shooters than any other caliber this year in the finals. 

More interesting is the spread in scores.

Claudio - 215 - Brocock Bantom .22

Justin Welsh - 214 - FX Impact .30

Frecrik Alexxon - 212 FX Impact .30

Dan Fujimagari - 212 Daystate Red Wolf HP .22

Ted Beir - 211 - FX Impact .22

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In the top 10, 5 Impacts, 4 Red Wolf's and 1 Bantam.

Pretty even spread

An electronic platform outperforms a mechanical platform, ceteris paribus. (Sorry if I used a big word; you can Google it.)

An electronic platform outperforms a mechanical platform, ceteris paribus. (Sorry if I used a big word; you can Google it.)

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Well it didnt at ebr, top 3 places all mechanical. How about sportsman class? Top place mechanical too.

If you mean outperforms in efficiency well tough to argue that one.

Mechanical parts wear out and affect consistency on a continuous basis, solid state does not. Plus, electronics provides much better air management and therefore consistent accuracy.

Electrical parts aren't infallible, stop acting like electrical parts have no downsides. How many trigger sears, hammers or hammer springs have you replaced AnimalHitman?

How does the display work say if you leave it in the sun at 120F? How about 25F? Does the display work? 

How is the battery affected at cold temperature?

Can I tune it myself? Oh i can I just need to pay 400$ more to be able to do that

Is it similarly priced as its mechanical equivalent?

Can I work on it myself?

Was it completely dominant in identical conditions as a mechanical gun as your arrogance implies?

I said solid state and electronics, not electrical. I was a gunner's mate in the Navy. I've detail-stripped, repaired, and replaced more parts in more types and numbers of small arms than you can count; not to mention the big boom-booms. Plus, I have a degree in electrical engineering on the GI Bill and worked in the field for nine years. My statement was one of fact, not arrogance. I was asked a specific question directed at me personally, so I answered it. I will do that if I think the question is asked in good faith. Why so sensitive? I will not respond to your trolling again. Stop trolling; Michael is watching. You wouldn't want to get banned.

. Stop trolling; Michael is watching. You wouldn't want to get banned.

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Could it be comments like these are the reason you don't use your old profile marcela69? Or were you blocked from it?

https://www.airgunnation.com/members/marcella69/

 

"AnimalHitman"

We're talking about air rifles here, and you said mechanical parts wear out and affect consistency on a continual basis. So my question was how many mechanical parts on an airgun have worn out for you? I'm really impressed by your CV as I'm sure many are, yet you didn't know about pressure drop in an air tank as it cools. I'm pretty sure Michael doesn't have a problem with me, but if he does I'm sure he will let me know. For the record there is electronics in a Red Wolf, its not a complete solid state system (with no moving parts) as I'm sure you know but agreed I did strawman you a bit accidentally. My apologies, I had no idea you were talking about ONLY solid state.

Listen, as I said in other threads I AM a fan of the Red Wolf and the electronics have been used in Daystate guns in the past with great success, I said above it has an advantage in efficiency. I'm not knocking the gun or the brand at all, just will not accept the idea that now the electronic this and that are here that mechanical guns are suddenly dated and could never hold a candle to the RW. Well, that's just not the case.

Call it trolling all you want and say I'm sensitive but we're having a discussion here unless you want to run away already?

PS If you're going to start a new account on the sly CHANGE YOUR AVATAR.

I'm with Glem.Chally here. Would I love to own a Red Wolf? Absolutely! But the fact that you say that electronic guns are better than mechanical is pure opinion. They might be better at something's but definitely not all. Mechanical guns are also not better than electronic guns. They both have there plus and minuses. I will choose mechanical every single day over electronic being the conditions I use my guns in. Also mechanically regulated guns can be extremely consistent as well. 2 shot strings at 2 different power levels from my WARP 10 months apart with unsorted 44.75 JSBs had ES at 10fps for 28 shots at 74fpe and 11fps for 44 shots at 65fpe.

I have to agree with @glem.chally. There is no proof that solid state electronic controlled guns perform better than mechanical guns. I have a Cricket that shot a documented 43 shot string with an ES of 7. Yep, 7. Shooting unsorted JSB .25 Kings at approx. 955 FPS. And except for 2 shots at 952 FPS out of the 43, ES was 5 FPS (954 to 959). And that is with the stock Cricket regulator. Not sure the Pulsar or Red Wolf can match that? My point is that as long as your ES is under 15 FPS or so, that's about as good as it gets normally and doesn't affect accuracy at all. 

And you might say that the Pulsar/Renegade/Red Wolf electronic trigger is as good as it gets...? I had a Renegade, so am very familiar with the trigger, and its a very, very good trigger. But I have two guns with a better trigger, my .177 RAW TM1000 and my .177 FWB 601 SSP. Both of them have better triggers than the Renegade IMHO. 

So blanket statements like the "an electronic platform outperforms a mechanical platform, ceteris paribus" just doesn't seem to hold water in the real world... all other things being equal.

Congrats to Claudio, his family, team & Country. Yeah, that red Sea? One was coming in top 3 for sure. It's a limited run & I think every single one sold was there. I appreciate the 5x faster lock/dwell time combo comparison but; if I had a choice of everyone there in my possession or a fine spring gun collection, I'd take the latter.

I honestly do think they are amazing but so is the sure shot ABC CheyTac system. It's a few steps away from, "you just can't miss." So in a competition I'm not big on the extreme electronics allowed part. That's where commoners with little money get pushed out. 

Honestly if I hit the Powerball I don't play I wouldn't compete with anything. Top of the line gear or a Out of the box Gamo. I just wouldn't travel or have time for serious competitions.

It all makes me wonder what fork we take next. I don't know the rules but did at least ONE Thomas even show up there? Yesterday's hot cakes are today's hard as rock frisbees. Maybe that's a totally different class PCP and simply can't compete. I

Foundation of a champion is a good gun, but, and it's a big BUT - the shooter must have the skill to use the gun.

Any high end gun should be able to stack pellets at 75 and 100 yards in perfect conditions. The rest is up to the shooter. Doesn't matter if it's electronic or manual, the shooter must achieve that "Oneness" with the gun and judge the wind.

The gun that dominated with the Brocock Bantam, a mechanical gun with a mechanical regulator, nothing electronic. Whether a shooter uses electronic or mechanical guns is up to the shooter, but more importantly, the shooter has to know how to use the gun.

I figure 25% gun, 75% shooter.

Well, I told myself I was staying off this forum( and others also for awhile!) but really can’t help myself on this subject- 1- electrical/mechanical platforms are EVERYWHERE!, just look @ one extreme your 2018 automobile or an F22 RAPTOR, now don’t know about you, but I know which has the latest and best of these platforms, now lets back up... ( and I don’t need a lecture on expense between the two!, we all pay & are paying for the F22 ) most of us can’t afford the quality of components in a F22 Raptor, daystate is merging the two together quite nicely in a price range alot can afford, nevertheless still cheap electronic components in my opinion!,( I’ve said this before on this forum )now if you go full mechanical I’d say you get better quality and precsion overall for your dollar right now, but these are the full custom or semi-custom Manufacture’s only, again my opinion only! Most of this to me comes down to having equipment you know and have utmost confidence in @ of coarse PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE! Now excuse me I must go do the latter! and if I made a sponsor or Micheal mad I do apologize upfront, and if I get banned so be it! More time I spend doing what I really love!

I dont think anyone here would denie Claudio shot a great card at EBR and his skills and gun with his ability to tune and shoot it won the day for him. I give him all the respect and congratulations he most definitely deserves .Lets not forget all the other competitors that shot a great scores.Justin was only 1 point less than Claudio, and how bout the young gun Dakota also only 1 point below the pros top score with a 214. Id say the competitors are the real hero's for the day! Congratulations to all who competed and of course we cant forget our very own Michael Wendt for his victory's.

@sonny, good point and I totally agree. Dakota had more X's than Justin, so would have come in second if he had entered Pro. And agree, congrats to Michael, great shooting!!!

@saltlake58, to say Brocock "dominated" would be a bit exaggerating, wouldn't you say? Top 3 scores, one Brocock, two FX? No Red Wolf... When I think "dominate", I think Tiger Woods in his prime, or Michael Jordan in his prime. To dominate at EBR a shooter would have had to shoot MUCH higher than the second place finisher, like 225. One point doesn't do it. Not taking away from Claudio, he won, fair and square. But he didn't "dominate"...