Good point, I found the error. My V1 is 1 yard not 10 yards.
Still, are you saying that the near distance can't be 0 yards?
Still, are you saying that the near distance can't be 0 yards?
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Share your Daystate RedWolf 22HP Experience
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Honestly Michael I have no idea about the LabRadar. I do know I want one. And V1 being one yard everything now makes sense. That’s one helluva BC. Now I’d like to see what the BC is for the .22 Beast. And with these types of BCs it wouldn’t surprise me to see a .22 win EBR. Is this the gun you’ll be shooting? Looking forward to EBR, meeting you and others from AGN.
Mike
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That is an exceptional bc. I wonder why Matt Dubber didn’t have better results with them? I think the best he got was .042. I’ve seen your results Michael and also Ken Hicks shooting a great group at 100y so the results support your findings.
Thanks Michael & Centrecut ? +1 &+1
Thanks Michael & Centrecut ? +1 &+1
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I echo AirSupply comment above ...
Thank you guys for sharing your knowledge. I've been reading up on BC and messing around with Strelok. Which standard should I use for diabolo & round pellets (G1, G5, G7)?
Thank you guys for sharing your knowledge. I've been reading up on BC and messing around with Strelok. Which standard should I use for diabolo & round pellets (G1, G5, G7)?
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The bc (Matt’s data) for the 21g nsa slug was .066
The best bc for the 23g nsa slug was .075
.07 for the monsters is right in slug territory! Look forward to seeing the 100y results.
The best bc for the 23g nsa slug was .075
.07 for the monsters is right in slug territory! Look forward to seeing the 100y results.
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I spoke to Matt. He also brought up a good point. There's only 3fps difference between v40 & v50. I think I know the problem. My range is exactly 50y if I sit at the very back of my shooting shed. I was sitting in the middle of the shed & the labradar was in front of the door, making the distance less than 50y & skewing the results.
I'll try again today & make sure the distance between the radar & the target are correct.
I'll try again today & make sure the distance between the radar & the target are correct.
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Thank goodness your on the job Centrecut. Yes GA. Sorry Oregun. I’ve corrected it in the original post.
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From one of Ken's other videos, linked below, he got approx. .054 BC at 100 yards from the 25.4 grain "new" JSB Monsters... Just plug in 950 and 730 fps as velocities, and 100 yards as the difference differential. So now the dilemma. Assuming the accuracies are the same for the .25 JSB 34 grain heavy, and the .22 JSB "new" 25.4 grain Monsters, which is better at 75 and 100 yards? From my point of view, assuming accuracy and BC are very close, the pellet that shoots 120 fps higher than the other is the obvious choice. .22 at 950 fps, or .25 at the "Ted" velocity of 830 FPS?
Awwww, crap. Now Ted has gone and switched to .30 caliber with the STX barrel on his Impact with "boobie bottles". And we don't know if he's shooting 44.75 grain or 50.1 grain .30 cal. pellets, and at what velocity. OK, I'm officially stumped! I know from my Bobcat with an ST barrel the 50.1 has a MUCH higher BC than the 44.75. But that might not be true in the STX barrel, which "acts" much more like an LW Poly barrel. Yep, I'm befuddled....
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/raw-50fpe-22/
Awwww, crap. Now Ted has gone and switched to .30 caliber with the STX barrel on his Impact with "boobie bottles". And we don't know if he's shooting 44.75 grain or 50.1 grain .30 cal. pellets, and at what velocity. OK, I'm officially stumped! I know from my Bobcat with an ST barrel the 50.1 has a MUCH higher BC than the 44.75. But that might not be true in the STX barrel, which "acts" much more like an LW Poly barrel. Yep, I'm befuddled....
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/raw-50fpe-22/
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Mine is shooting a tune at 980-1005 fps, .22 monster are still stabile and accurate.
10 shots making 4 holes at 100 yards..
10 shots making 4 holes at 100 yards..
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Shooting the .30 and .22 against each other in same conditions, the .22 cal 25gr and the .30 44gr acted identical. Same hold off in the wind, the .22 seemed easier to predict and more forgiving.
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The results I provided earlier are incorrect.
I took the .22 Redwolf HP & JSB 25.4g out to 100y today. After properly setting up the Labradar; I took the average of each 10 shot group (minus the high & low) to get the velocity at 20, 40, 60, 80 & 100 yards (V0, V20, V40, V60, V80, V100).
I was hoping for a better BC from the JSB Redesigned Monsters, but I suppose they held their own. The results at different distances & velocities are interesting (you're welcome Strelock multi-BC users). ?
Maybe I'll bump up the velocity a bit more. I wish Daystate would made a small USB port to access the programming plug (or better yet... Wi-Fi).
I took the .22 Redwolf HP & JSB 25.4g out to 100y today. After properly setting up the Labradar; I took the average of each 10 shot group (minus the high & low) to get the velocity at 20, 40, 60, 80 & 100 yards (V0, V20, V40, V60, V80, V100).
I was hoping for a better BC from the JSB Redesigned Monsters, but I suppose they held their own. The results at different distances & velocities are interesting (you're welcome Strelock multi-BC users). ?
Maybe I'll bump up the velocity a bit more. I wish Daystate would made a small USB port to access the programming plug (or better yet... Wi-Fi).
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@michael, thanks, that takes time, we all appreciate it... Looks like 925 or so is the best speed for BC, so next stop would be comparing accuracy at the three settings. I think .051 or so is a very good BC for a diabolo pellet.
@SPAW - Ken, try out the 50.1 grain JSBs. In a normal ST barrel, they have a much better BC than the 44.75. In fact, in my .30 Bobcat Mk2, the 44.75s with a 75 yard BC are .038, and the 50.1s are .051. A substantial difference. This is easily confirmed by my holdovers at 100 yards. When zero'd at 50 yards, the holdover on the 50.1 is less than the 44.75, even though the lighter pellet is flying initially at 885 FPS, and the heavier pellet is starting off at 850 FPS. Plus at 100 yards, the heavier pellet has almost 10 FPE more than the lighter pellet.
@SPAW - Ken, try out the 50.1 grain JSBs. In a normal ST barrel, they have a much better BC than the 44.75. In fact, in my .30 Bobcat Mk2, the 44.75s with a 75 yard BC are .038, and the 50.1s are .051. A substantial difference. This is easily confirmed by my holdovers at 100 yards. When zero'd at 50 yards, the holdover on the 50.1 is less than the 44.75, even though the lighter pellet is flying initially at 885 FPS, and the heavier pellet is starting off at 850 FPS. Plus at 100 yards, the heavier pellet has almost 10 FPE more than the lighter pellet.
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I just reprogrammed my Redwolf. I detuned it a little prior to todays test. I'm gonna bump it back up to 940-960-980fps & gather some more data. I can't believe how fast Ken is shooting them!
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Hundred yards will separate the men from the boys. I'd be happy with those groups at 100. Most rim fire rifle don't shoot that good.
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Crown .25, AW MCT, Theoben Rapid
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The 100 yard difference looks like .7 inch between 0.058 and 0.049 according to chairgun. Past that distance I admit the difference is greater. Pellet bc's are terrible. Slugs should be better. Lots of new info with the Labradar. Michael, I will be at Chuck's house in a couple weeks. Maybe we can all get together and shoot or shoot the bull. Scott
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@Centercut - thanks for the BC info! I have my baseline loaded in Strelok, should be a good starting point for my testing this weekend
@Michael - the mid-power BC variation looks promising. It'll be interesting to see what the higher speeds yield in terms of variance
@SPAW - damn good groups, Ken! The speed that you are shooting them at, coupled with the results are amazing... any tunning tips to share? Inbound PM to follow ?
@Michael - the mid-power BC variation looks promising. It'll be interesting to see what the higher speeds yield in terms of variance
@SPAW - damn good groups, Ken! The speed that you are shooting them at, coupled with the results are amazing... any tunning tips to share? Inbound PM to follow ?
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