I've had a Red Wolf standard power .22 a few months. I'm very pleased with the rifle, with the exception of accuracy when using the magazine. In general, it's good, but I get an occasional flyer. And it can be extreme, maybe 2" at 25 yards. When using the single shot tray, it's as accurate as any air rifle I have owned. Since I don't generally use the magazine, it's been out of mind for a while. With squirrel season in, I had considered taking it hunting, but the magazine issue concerns me, since it could result in a miss, or worse, a poor hit. I have read of other folks having this problem too, so I think it is more than an isolated incident. I have two mags, and can tell no difference in their performance. My assumption is, the occasional pellet is somehow getting damaged in movement to the breech. I've tried to be very careful and slow in advancing the lever, not sure if I see any difference. I'm curious if anyone has found a technique that alleviates this problem. Or, maybe there was an issue with a run of magazines.
Red Wolf magazine accuracy
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Your not the only one to have issues Have a look through this tread.
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/daystate-red-wolf-hp-22/
Michael
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/daystate-red-wolf-hp-22/
Michael
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I talked to a tech at AOA today about the magazine issue. He agreed that yes, it is a common issue, but that magazine accuracy is usually adequate for hunting situations. Unless the squirrels I hunt are smaller than his, my magazine accuracy is not nearly sufficient for hunting. But, I don't routinely use the magazine anyway, so I won't worry about it. He did mention that he had increased the chamfer on the breech of some of his rifles, and on some, it helped, but I don't have the machine tools to do it. As I think about it, I guess anything rear of the breech O ring is not dependent on precision machining, but I can't see going at it with a drill. For the limited hunting I do with an air rifle, I'll use my FX Royale, since it is totally unaffected by the magazine. Given the amount of precision machining required in the production of a rifle, it seems they could design and build a magazine that works better. As much as I dislike the way the FX magazine loads, it sure works well. A recess in the magazine captures the breech end of the barrel, so I guess it locks into alignment better than the Daystate.
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Yes, that thread seem to perfectly document my issue. It seems absurd that a company of Daystate's reputation could not only make this design mistake, but allow it to continue without correction! Unless Daystate gets on top of this, I have bought my last product with their name on it, inexcusable!
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Let me say that I was part of that discussion board! I Solved the issue myself on my gun and a friend’s and I will admit that as far as accuracy is concerned I felt it was better after the modifications (no indisputable proof though? Because accuracy is very subjective...) I do want to give credit to Daystate and AOA for listening and following up with me, give them a chance to do same for you, I also will be honest and say that I use the mag. To this day with no problems! and hate to admit it but actually feel it’s more accurate using it? Maybe I’m just more familiar with the gun? Also let me say I NEVER had a pellet go out of the group 2” at even 75yds! if I was reading the wind! I also understand how much these airguns are becoming DAYSTATE-FX-RAW among others, and I can also say I’ve had minor issues with all of them, I have been a little rash in some of my statements of manufacturers and members on this forum and I usually regret it in the end! To this day My Red Wolf is the gun I go to for an enjoyable day of shooting or even some local competitions, a wonderful gun and so glad I purchased it and still own it... “I almost sold it?”
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Yup! I was part of that whole discussion too. The fix definitely helped mine too. Still not quite getting SST levels of accuracy but MUCH better than initially.
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I am afraid I think that you are massively over-inflating this, firstly what mistake? that is a matter of opinion of a "limited" number of users, Daystate have sold tens of thousands of these magazines and what, a dozen people aren't happy?
Most serious bench shooters would not utilise the magazine, for other applications I accept that the magazine may be handier to use, or for just plinking. I have 9 Redwolfs and numerous magazines which just sit in the cupboard, the gun is exceptional whether you use the magazine or not and it's certainly not a deal breaker apart from for a handful of people tops.
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Well, I have an expensive rifle that is of no use in the field due to the magazine inaccuracy, and this with two magazines. With all respect, I don't believe that I am "massively over-inflating" this issue. I realize that most owners do not have this problem. To suggest the problem is unimportant because it is unusual is a grossly unfair characterization. I am glad you are satisfied with your RW rifles and magazines and have no complaints. But that doesn't mitigate the issue for those of us who have problems.
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I am sorry that you have problem with your particular set up, I still personally don't think that a magazine is "essential" for a field gun and therfore I don't agree that the gun is of no use in the field.
If you bought your gun through a Daystate retailer then contact them, Daystate or AOA would not ignore a complaint from a consumer I am sure of that.
If you bought your gun through a Daystate retailer then contact them, Daystate or AOA would not ignore a complaint from a consumer I am sure of that.
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I ordered another magazine today, thought there might be an issue with a specific lot of production. As I look more at how the magazine works, I'm not very optimistic of better results. In fact, I'm becoming more surprised that any of them work well. The way the magazine advance system works, you can see movement of the mag as the spring-loaded interior cylinder hits the probe as the shot is fired. Seems to me, nothing else should be going on as the shot is released. I'm no expert, but this just seems like a poor design, both in terms of damage to the probe, and enough of an upset to affect accuracy. But, some owners report great accuracy results with the magazine. I expect part of the problem, different owners use the rifles differently, and have varying expectations of accuracy. Probably a wasted $100 on another mag, but we'll see.
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I have 7 mags and my complaint is they don't last. I have two mags that are all black and they work flawlessly, the ones with silver bands act like they are gummed up from time to time. Have taken them apart, wiped clean and still don't work well. Never had an issue with accuracy and my idea of accurate is hitting a quarter at 100 yards. Have never tried the shot tray. .22HP 960fps with 25gr Redesigned. I will be selling my two Renegades in the near future.
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Tomcat airguns did a video on the magazine and it's effects on the pellets/seating etc. using a borescope right up inside the barrel in front of the mag, take a look, but if you cant find it I will post a link.
I am presuming you havent reversed the magazine for entry side?
I am presuming you havent reversed the magazine for entry side?
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