RE-Tuning an already tuned Impact

Hello all, odd question perhaps, but I've got an unusual problem I'm hoping someone here can assist with.

I recently received an MK-II from a fellow AGN member that was tuned by Mr. Rowe himself. However, it throws pellets like crazy, and it can't keep the spread of pellet holes under 4" at 50 feet. (yeah, 50 feet not yards!)

So in talking with the original owner, turns out it has a slug-liner in it, so I'm looking to replace it with a pellet liner as that's what I shoot.

My question however is regarding turning it. I've watched a couple of online videos of how to tune it initially, but can anyone share any insight into how to re-tune an impact for a different projectile? How do I essentially undo what was done for slugs safely so I can set up the unit for pellets?

Thanks much in advance for any insight.
-Jimmy
 
First of all, you will need a chronograph. And you will need to reduce both regulator pressure and hammer spring tension. There is a small hex screw recessed inside of the bit that makes contact with the hammer adjustment wheel. It would need to be turned in some, I'm sure. I'd recommend a regulator pressure of 120-125 bar.

Try and get pellet speeds down. 950fps max. A lot of guns shoot better around 880-900fps so you will need to experiment. 
 
Have you tried removing your moderator and testing it first? Could be clipping after shipment as they don't treat things nice when shipped.

My Slug barrel 700mm in .25 shot the slugs and pellets both very well even exceptional in most cases. I really doubt you will need a new liner.

Depending on where your reg is set you may just be able to dial back the hammer and do just fine. Else as Long_Gun_Dallas said turn the reg down too and as Jbravo said take care to remove your tank and purge the pressure in the plenum before you turn it down.
 
First off thank you all who have responded.

The current reg pressure is set at just over 130 bar.
I don't currently have a chrono, so will look to find one for this effort. 

I would be fine tuning for pellets, but there in lies the original question, how to re-tune it... and frankly currently it's so far off I didn't know if it would be worth the effort. I have several springers that will way outshoot this rifle as it's shooting JSB Jumbos currently, pretty sad really.

I'm not sure if it has a pin probe or pellet probe but will look into how to tell the difference.

I may try cleaning it too, haven't tried that yet.
 
First off, I just purchased a Maverick about 2 months ago and am astounded with the accuracy of these guns. Your Impact should be even better.

I have tuned mine 3 different times, its very easy but you need to follow the correct steps.

YouTube is your friend.

https://youtu.be/9K9uG2KOPt0

https://youtu.be/KDvuMwjwk9M

There are more. I am sure that with some patience and lots of shooting at targets and chronograph you will get what you want. If you gun was set up for slugs it is probably at too high of a pressure for pellets, unless you match a pellet weight to whatever slug the previous owner tuned it with.

Good Luck


 
Thanks for the input and feedback. Have got a chrono on the way now and have watch both of those videos as well as one from a guy from Australia.

I guess the biggest concern is how to 'undo' what was done for the slugs.



So perhaps a stupid question, but can you RELIABLY shoot heavy pellets (I'm using Jumbo Exacts) from a slug liner or is it simple better to get a whole new set up?
 
Hello. how’s it going. You can certainly shoot pellets out of a slug liner as others have already explained. Many people do it all the time…Like myself and Biohazard stated above.

You can shoot heavy pellets extremely well in some of the slug liners. I didn’t see what caliber your Impact shoots or what weight slugs and pellets you’ve tried but I wanted to elaborate on what the others have already told you. I always use a slug A liner in my Impact because it shoots both slugs and pellets extremely well. The slugs and pellets I shoot have almost the same POI out to 60 yards and are extremely accurate. I have both marked on my turret so I can use them interchangeably at any time without any adjustments to my Impact. I love the ability to shoot both with just a turn of the power wheel at farther distances.

No disrespect but I don’t think whether it has a pin probe or a standard probe should affect the accuracy at all, other than maybe changing the seating depth of the projectile a tiny bit. I’ve shot three or four different probes that I’ve modified to increase velocity as much as possible, two standard probes and both of the pin probes when I was slug testing heavy slugs in my Impact. I saw absolutely no difference in accuracy between any of them, just increases and decreases in velocity because of air flow changes.

It seems like you’re very new to the Impact platform, if you’re not comfortable adjusting the hammer spring pre load, the regulator pressure and other settings, give this a try…Just get some heavy for caliber pellets and test the gun with them following these steps to see if the accuracy improves at all, if it does, then you can proceed with a full re tune. 

As already stated, slugs can dirty a barrel fast. Many of us polish and wax our barrels and then lube the slugs. It can help with accuracy, never usually has any adverse effects and certainly will help keep your barrel clean a lot longer. I rarely have to clean out FX barrels! So, anyway…Clean the barrel thoroughly and then give the pellets a try again. Remove the moderator to start so you’ve eliminated one more variable that could mess with the accuracy. Shoot five shots on high power(max), write down the setting, velocity and then reduce the power wheel setting to #5, shoot 5 more shots and repeat the process for each setting on the power wheel until you’ve shot them all including minimum. When you’re done, take a good look at all of the groups, velocities and see if the decreased velocity caused any or all of the groups to shoot better. If so, then you’ll need to either shoot at that setting or retune your gun(preferable) to that exact velocity.

Tuning the air gun from scratch is a lot more in depth than the testing I just recommended but not hard, just a little intimidating at first. If the gun does shoot at a lower velocity, re tuning it rather than just shooting it all the time with the power wheel turned down is definitely the best option. After you’ve figured out if the gun will shoot pellets, put the moderator back on to see if it has any positive or negative effects on accuracy. These fairly simple steps will go a long way in determining if the liner you have will shoot pellets well, it should depending on the caliber, liner, pellets and settings. From there, there’s a lot more you can do to get it shooting great! If it was indeed one of Ernest’s gun, everything was done correctly and purpose built. Take your time, I’m sure you can get it shooting great, if not, a new barrel liner is $110. 

To elaborate on the answer to your last question about shooting pellets out of a slug barrel. FX barrels for the Impact are choked and all virtually the same other than twist rates. There have been a few other “secret” spec. changes to some of the newer slug liners. Because the main difference in the liners are twist rates. the weight of the projectile is very important to performance. That’s why everyone is telling you to try heavier, or the heaviest, pellets you can find to start your testing. 

Like I said, I don’t know the caliber of your Impact but I’m guessing it’s a .22 or .25. If that is indeed the case, the .25 cal. 33.95gr pellets usually shoot best between 850-950 FPS but even more specifically between 890-920 FPS. The .22 caliber 25.39gr redesigned pellets usually shoot best between 930-1000 FPS and more specifically, between 940-980 FPS. Those numbers are just approximations to see how far off your velocity is and where about, you should be. 

I hope this and what the others have said can help you out. Like I said, the Impact can be very intimidating when you tune it or take it apart for the first time. It’s really not hard. There are so many great videos and people willing to help that it can easily be done. Just go slow, keep track of all the parts and take notes if necessary. You got it! 

Good luck, if you need more help, just let us know. Also, be sure to let us know how it turns out and if you get it shooting accurately.

Have a great day. 

Stoti



P.S. I just read my post after I put in on AGN. I’m sorry it’s so long. I usually either skim through super long posts or don’t read many unless I’m really, really interested. Hopefully some of this will help you, again though, sorry it’s long. I didn’t realize it’s length until after it was posted.
 
Help tuning troubles. M3 25 cal /700 with carbon fiber stiffener plus b/tuner.. can’t get the crono speed to settle in shooting GSB Redesign 33.95 pellet with heavy liner , reg pressure 105 trying to get the speed to settle in around 865 to 890 ish my deviation it’s all over the board. My hammer has an extra washer now 12.3 g. PW 5 when moving the micro adj a small amount the speed jumps 15 to 30 fps. Yes it’s a slug setup But want to shoot a pellet event. The gun groups great at 50 yards but when I go out to 70 the speed variations spread the groups out several inches. Very frustrating, I would love to shoot on magazine with the speeds not bouncing all over.