RAW REPORT

It's been to rainy lately so I haven't put any out yet, grabbed a bottle of my wife's baking vanilla to put out and I have a bottle of no scent to spray around also..This rain has really help on washing any human scent off the new stand so that will help a lot.

I'm going to put a truck gun rack in the stand to hold the HMx while I just sit and wait for yotes also it's Archery season now and I have a few of my crossbows all zeroed and ready to put the smack down on a deer. Also set a few targets up to shoot at from the stand with the HMx which should be fun to do.

"Hynzie"i just got 2 caldwell dead shots one for my pcp the other i unscrew the top part ...then using the adjustable bipod ,,it has a screw pointing straight up just happens to be the same size to screw my pro chrono to works perfectly

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I bought a cheap bipod off Amazon for 15-20 bucks for my ProChrono. Just dug out my one Caldwell dead shot to take to the range,it's sitting next to my new cabnet waiting to go...

"Hynzie"cool ,,i noticed u seen the RAW 25 for sale nice looking rifle

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Yep and I was kinda bummed out that it wasn't listed a couple weeks earlier or I would of bought it right away rather then the Royale and then I could of ordered a charcoal or black( never know what to call it)LRT stock for it and then I would of had my ultimate HMx .25 but it didn't happen that way unfortunately.

If I could sell my Royale for 1600 as is with scope tomorrow I would and then buy that HMx .25 LRT asp. I would take the loss on the Royale.

Yep the closer it gets the harder it gets that's a big 10-4.

Hey guys, I'm really interested and there's a chance that might purchase a RAW. There was some good info in the first 4-5 pages of this post but after that things started getting way off topic to the point of idle chit chat and not much to do with an actual "RAW Report" for the last 90 or so pages. I would think texting or PM's would be better for these other discussions. Don't want to sound disrespectful but that's just my thoughts.
Jimmy

Hi Jimmy, good name by the way. What are you looking at getting? Sure we got/get off topic but it is the General Airgunning Forum And it’s a long hard wait for this Airgun and some of us just like to see what others are doing while we wait it helps pass the time and hopefully it grabs the attention of folks that are thinking on getting a RAW or have one ordered. By the way the wait time is getting longer the way it sounds.
We talked about changing or starting a different thread but decided to leave this one as is is even though it got off topic(Range and Weapons)but now we are getting it back to where it should be. My HMx.357 regulated to 130ft/lbs should be just about done so the anticipation of a call from Sandra grows everyday, I’m hoping it will shoot around 125-128 and I’ll be happy, I bought a digital link for my ProChrono so I can record my shot strings but 1st I would like to shoot at least 2 tins thru it then do Chrono testing that way it should be shooting more steady and give me more accurate strings, then I can report on the strings.
I had Martin set my trigger so on the 1st stage I’ll get about a 1/8” travel before hitting into the 2nd where I had him set it at 2lbs being I’ll be using it for coyote hunting and some bench. I’m also having him do a special order Blue Thumbhole stock for me.
If this HMx turns out as good as I hope I’ll be ordering another HMx in January or February but in .25 with the LRT stock and it will only see the Bench, hopefully that will be done by June.
Pat is waiting to get his trigger back from Martin so he can get back to shooting his .30 and then give some feed back on it.

If more folks would Report on their RAW’s as in what they have or what they are getting and then what they like,dislike or would change about it this thread would be more on topic, it’s getting there just need more participation from those who sit on the sidelines and don’t join in.
Again what are you looking at getting and what are you going to use it for?

"we talked"
Take a vote PLEASE!

Change the title as a service to anyone looking for information on this line of airguns.

NO ONE is going to read 100 pages of a broing BS threesome with maybe 1 page of facts. I honestly believe this, tho I also believe the world is a bit too full of anthropocentric narcissists, but.


"If more folks would Report on their RAW’s"
Well, "I" have some info, started to share it and ol;e marcel straight up said I didn't know what I was talking about, dead wrong but okay I'll let him play knowledgeable.( I do know what slugs to shoot, max obtainable fpe and a bit )

Figuring in the excessive length, this is THE least usful thread IU have read on any airgun forum sinsce 1999.


And a B50 for the experts on this thread.



See how easy it is to at least stay on airguns?

A goof title might be the Dredge report.

John

Thanks for the reply spysir,b50 from China interesting, said person is no longer on this thread being he sold his and moved on but there are others that peek in and are more then open to learn about RAW weapons myself being one, if you didn’t know I’m disabled so I’m limited in how I can shoot and hunt,no more walk and stalk for me now so while waiting for my HMx I’ve been trying to learn as much as possible about RAW airguns but until I get mine I can only wait and read and when mine gets here and I get a chance to shoot it and then do some strings I’m in limbo so ya it’s gottien off the original topic but we are getting it back to where it should be slowly.
Sure the thread starter really isn’t correct for A General Airgunning Forum which opens it up to more of a anything Airgun thread it would be more correct under the PCP Forum and then it would be strictly RAW weapons without the General Airgunning BS but it is what it is for now but working on getting it back on track.
If my HMx .357 turns out to be a good shooter which I’m sure it will be my next purchase will be the HMx in .25 with a LRT stock. Anyway I’m sure this thread will get back on track and will go in the right direction sooner then later.

I'm on the verge of either purchasing a Crown or a RAW. I like the idea of the simplicity of the RAW from what I've been gathering compared to the Crown with it having a few more options for fine tuning but a few more parts. I've seen a few groups shot by both. I've also seen a few complaints with the RAW from shot velocity inconsistency and accuracy to trigger issues. Probably not the norm though. I would be looking for a 25 caliber capable of shooting heavies at 900fps with outstanding accuracy. I'd also like a gun that is not 10lbs heavy. 80% of my shooting is punching paper (no formal competition) the other 20 is hunting so a full blown target gun is not needed. I would dread having to wait 3 months for a gun as well so I've been keeping my eyes open on the "for Sale" section. So, I'm guess I'm looking for a tack driving, not too heavy 25 cal.

So is the RAW worth it? I'd like to hear more testimonials (proof) of the guns performance from the guys on the forum. I know Salticon has a great shooter and he has posted up several times what his RAW is capable of but I'd still like to see more especially 100yd groups, velocities and shot count. Enough blabbering,,,,
Jimmy

Hey that’s all right Jimmy, like you said the biggest deal with the RAW is the weight but that weight will make it more stable on the bench and help with accuracy, example is my 6.5 Creedmoor that weighs in at about 16pounds but it’s also very accurate for LRT but I would never try to hunt with it being its not made for hunting just like a HMx .25 LRT is made for the bench and not hunting but if you get one with the lighter stock you might be able to carry it for awhile. I just brought in my 500 Royale and when I took it out of the case I had to laugh to myself on how light it is and I’m sure the Crown is the same way.
I think the Crown is nice but as myself goes I don’t need all the bells and whistles that come with it,I like my airguns as simple as possible that’s why I went with the Royale and it is a nice shooter, one other Airgun that I’m impressed with in .25 is the Hatsan Bullboss, mine shoots just as nice as my Royale except it’s more of a Bullpup type Airgun.
Im going to order a HMx in .25 next year with the LRT stock being its only going to be used off the bench, as far as triggers go I think most issues come from the owner trying to adjust them, one thing to do when you order a RAW is to make sure you let Martin or Sandra know exactly what you want leaving no stones unturned.

"Imold"Hey that’s all right Jimmy, like you said the biggest deal with the RAW is the weight but that weight will make it more stable on the bench and help with accuracy, example is my 6.5 Creedmoor that weighs in at about 16pounds but it’s also very accurate for LRT but I would never try to hunt with it being its not made for hunting just like a HMx .25 LRT is made for the bench and not hunting but if you get one with the lighter stock you might be able to carry it for awhile. I just brought in my 500 Royale and when I took it out of the case I had to laugh to myself on how light it is and I’m sure the Crown is the same way.
I think the Crown is nice but as myself goes I don’t need all the bells and whistles that come with it,I like my airguns as simple as possible that’s why I went with the Royale and it is a nice shooter, one other Airgun that I’m impressed with in .25 is the Hatsan Bullboss, mine shoots just as nice as my Royale except it’s more of a Bullpup type Airgun.
Im going to order a HMx in .25 next year with the LRT stock being its only going to be used off the bench, as far as triggers go I think most issues come from the owner trying to adjust them, one thing to do when you order a RAW is to make sure you let Martin or Sandra know exactly what you want leaving no stones unturned.

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"...ut I would never try to hunt with it being its not made for hunting....," notwithstanding RAW's claim that "This is a serious Hunting Rifle...."

"jking"I'm on the verge of either purchasing a Crown or a RAW. I like the idea of the simplicity of the RAW from what I've been gathering compared to the Crown with it having a few more options for fine tuning but a few more parts. I've seen a few groups shot by both. I've also seen a few complaints with the RAW from shot velocity inconsistency and accuracy to trigger issues. Probably not the norm though. I would be looking for a 25 caliber capable of shooting heavies at 900fps with outstanding accuracy. I'd also like a gun that is not 10lbs heavy. 80% of my shooting is punching paper (no formal competition) the other 20 is hunting so a full blown target gun is not needed. I would dread having to wait 3 months for a gun as well so I've been keeping my eyes open on the "for Sale" section. So, I'm guess I'm looking for a tack driving, not too heavy 25 cal.

So is the RAW worth it? I'd like to hear more testimonials (proof) of the guns performance from the guys on the forum. I know Salticon has a great shooter and he has posted up several times what his RAW is capable of but I'd still like to see more especially 100yd groups, velocities and shot count. Enough blabbering,,,,
Jimmy

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I did not find the RAW to live up to its marketing claims in either power or accuracy. The 14 week wait didn't help either. I've owned two FX rifles, an Impact .30 and my current Wildcat .25. Except for a minor bottle leaking issue with the swappable bottles of the Impact, I was (am) tickled pink with both of those rifles. My Wildcat is far and away the most accurate rifle I've ever owned, and that includes my PBs as well. I'm getting an SD of 1.81! That's better than what I was getting with the electronic regulator of my Daystate Pulsar .25. Plus, my WC is pushin' four+ more ft-lbf than advertised. Plus, plus, I got her in less than a week and for $1,000 less than my RAW. Further, my RAW tapped-out @ 13 lbs with my Hawke Sidewinder scope. My WC and Sightron scope barely tips the scales @ 7# 3oz. No comparison really.

Other issues include that I too, as Hynzie related, received my RAW with a hair trigger (4.7 oz with no first stage). If you need to adjust the trigger (which you will), the stock must be removed. To remove the stock, the bottle must be removed. This, in turn, requires the replacement of the bottle O-ring. The FX Crown's trigger can be adjusted externally. She has the adjustability of the Impact with the aesthetics of the Royale. Plus, the Crown has interchangeable barrels for different calibers, just like the Impact. But what really sets the Crown a breed apart are the interchangeable barrel-rifling inserts that give you the flexibility of mixin' 'n matchin' different twist rates for different pellets. Again, no comparison between RAW and FX.