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RAW HM100x LRT - (.22) Bench Shooting

Hey Guys,

Went out to the range (outdoor) for the first time this year to shoot my .22 caliber RAW HM1000x LRT. The gun was tuned last year to shoot 18.13 JSB's at 100 yards. During the Winter months I had increased my regulator's set-point from 122 bar to about 130 bar as I was going to start testing/tuning for 25.39 grain, redesigned JSB (FX). I also reinstalled the OEM hammer spring which was stiffer vs. the one I had been using to get the 18.13 grain pellets to 950 fps.

On this gun I have changed out the regulator seats to peek, the hammer tip to peek, added an addition 20 cc plenum, a SSG and have incorporated a barrel harmonic tuning device.

Before shooting the 25.39 JSB's I wanted to shoot a few clips of the 18.13 JSB's to see how they'd group at 100 yards moving faster. With the lowest hammer spring setting, the 18.13's were moving at 1050 fps (higher set-point and stronger hammer spring). I was happy to get 7 of 12 shots under 1", and 10 of 12 under 1.2", 11 of 12 under 1.5" and the last one must of been a wild flyer or I screwed up.

All pellets were taken straight from the tin without measuring in any way.

My question is: How much better could this group be by weighing, head/skirt testing pellets for consistency before hand?
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I almost think this is about as good as I can do without ruling out pellet inconsistencies or somehow improving my (shooting eye) eyesight? I've also got the Element Helix 6x24x50 SFP scope - which is pretty good. My eyesight in my shooting eye is only 20-30, which gets very tired trying to focus over a long period.

Lastly, because the tune was made for shooting 18.13 pellets last year, I only was able to get 935 fps out of the 25.39 JSB's which resulted in groups that were worse than above. It's amazing how much individualizing each tune needs to be for each new pellet. The 25.39 likely needs an even higher set-point (maybe 135 bar) and different hammer spring because with the spring maxed out, I was only able to get 935 fps.




 
Well, you're mostly right; however I was looking for ... "I started sorting & weighing my pellets recently and noticed a 5% to 15% in reduced flyers or tighter groups." Also, this is how I sort my pellets for consistency. This is the scale I used which is very accurate and inexpensive.

Also, Mike I noticed that you decided to make your own slugs as other manufacturers didn't have the consistency you needed in your 50 yard, target PCP design. What did you learn in slug production, perfecting accuracy? Assuming I won't be offered the secret sauce, but what a some qualities other manufacturers are missing?






 
I have no idea what the hammer spring or regulator are set at in mine, but factory tune 22 cal has the JSB MRedesigns shooting 946 fps average. The ES is 9 and StD is 1.5. I can put 5 pellets just about one hole at 20 yards. I have no plans to mess with Martin's tuning. I do sort pellets when I'm shooting for groups or record — both by weight (hundredths of a grain) and head size. My RAW prefers 5.56 head size.

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If I may suggest, you are shooting the 18.1 pellets way too fast. They get optimum accuracy between 880 and 920. Pellets are hard to keep under control at 100 yards because of the wind. Since you want to shoot at 100 yards, it appears that your power level is perfect for slugs. JSB KO 25.4 gr or FX Hybrids should work well.

In theory I would have to agree with you, but the group I got yesterday was better than I got last year? Yeah, probably a coincidence, but the increased velocity from 950 to 1050 didn't hurt?. I could try a lower speed, but I think I did that last year.

This is why I love to shoot at 100 yards, every little thing seems to matter. 
 
I have no idea what the hammer spring or regulator are set at in mine, but factory tune 22 cal has the JSB MRedesigns shooting 946 fps average. The ES is 9 and StD is 1.5. I can put 5 pellets just about one hole at 20 yards. I have no plans to mess with Martin's tuning. I do sort pellets when I'm shooting for groups or record — both by weight (hundredths of a grain) and head size. My RAW prefers 5.56 head size.

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I ordered a scale on Amazon measuring down to .02 grains for cartridge loading and have a pair of harbor freight digital calipers for head size.

Yeah, if you don't mind the clunky moderator, don't touch a thing. Because I'm afflected by Tinker-itus, I've changed everything and have it at least shooting as good as the factory tune. I think most of the modifications, especially the SSG (Motorhead) or other things as discussed by mubhaur can improve the platform. Others may disagree...

When you shoot out to 100 yards w/wind - you'll understand my challenge better; 50 yards was boring, but I used 1 MOA as the benchmark and not the smaller target you shoot.

Have fun .............


 
I've got a .22 RAW with an FX superior liner barrel. I'm going to start testing fps tomorrow with jsb redesigns. I found with my .177 RAW that head sizing (I use an air gauge), weighing and sorting seems to help keep the pellets a little more consistent. Since even a slight miss can be the difference between an X vs 10 vs 9 I'd like to get the best pellet possible so I can blame the score on my poor shooting.
 
I've got a .22 RAW with an FX superior liner barrel. I'm going to start testing fps tomorrow with jsb redesigns. I found with my .177 RAW that head sizing (I use an air gauge), weighing and sorting seems to help keep the pellets a little more consistent. Since even a slight miss can be the difference between an X vs 10 vs 9 I'd like to get the best pellet possible so I can blame the score on my poor shooting.

So a RAW .22 caliber with a FX barrel system? How does that set-up go together .... and work?

I routinely blame my shooting, but with 20-30 vision and only 2/3 of a year practice at 100 yards with a pellet gun - I've go a whole barrel of excuses.

If I could get 8/9 out of 12 under 1" and the others less than 1.25" I'd be Jazzed .....................
 
Watched 3 videos made by Tomcat, who created a fairly elaborate approach to pellet sorting and weighing. After pellets are washed, sorted for defects, weighed and check for ideal head size, he usually eliminates roughly 80% of his JSB pellets as falling out of "his ideal shooting range". Hence, 80% of JSB pellets purchased would not be used in a shooting match.

Further, he recommends a pellet sorting device costing $30 and a head sizing gauge costing $50 to insure an efficient process with good results.

I know, if I only shot my best 20% of pellets at 100 yards vs. my current process (anything out of the tin), my scores would have to get better
 
So a RAW .22 caliber with a FX barrel system? How does that set-up go together .... and work?

I routinely blame my shooting, but with 20-30 vision and only 2/3 of a year practice at 100 yards with a pellet gun - I've go a whole barrel of excuses.

If I could get 8/9 out of 12 under 1" and the others less than 1.25" I'd be Jazzed .....................
Sorry for the really late response. The rifle was custom built from a gentlemen in Washington state. I bought it used. It shoots good. I've been focused on 25m lately with my Thomas and Raw .177 but I did take it out for a 50yd event yesterday. The trigger is a little heavier than my other rifles and I tried to pull same way - didn't work out well for the 1st two cards. I adjusted my grip a bit and my last card was a 248 in the same conditions. Shot jsb RD head gauged only and washed and lubed. If I can shoot as well with it again next time out I'll be happy with it. We don't have 100yd at my club.