RAW HM1000X .25 VS DAYSTATE REDWOLF HP .25

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    mubhaur
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    Today one of my friends went to the airgun shop and saw Daystate Redwolf. 25 hp there.

    Then he came to me and asked me how can RAW HM1000X  .25 60 ftlb be compared to Redwolf. 

    I don't have any first hand experience of REDWOLF. 

    I just read that it's very high end electronic pcp and is very accurate. 

    Again "very accurate" is a relative term.

    Please share the comparison of your experience with both guns and pros and cons of both.

    The accuracy of both at 100 yards. 

    Regards, 

    Umair Bhaur 

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    RenoTwolf
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    I have never owned a RAW but I do own a Redwolf .25 Rosso. My take from my experiences so far. I have owned FX Impact .30, FX Boss .30, Cricket .25 MRod .22, Airforce .22 and Taipan Vet Shorty .25.  The Daystate is my favorite, so far.

    Daystate Redwolf Rosso .25

    Pros: Looks AWESOME, Best trigger, fits like a glove when shooting, electronic pressure readout, three power settings, very quiet shooter, lots of shot per fill, 5 shots at 50 yards=cover with a dime.

    Cons: Expensive, long shooting platform for off hand.

     

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    mubhaur
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    Thank you sir. 

    I am waiting for those who own both RAW and Redwolf 

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    elh0102
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    I own both RAW and Red Wolf, both in .22 standard power, not HP. The RAW is a very robust, proven dependable platform, and its maker is a phone call away if you have a question or issue. He will make it well and it will shoot. Trigger is very good. The RW is my first electronic rifle. It is accurate, and with the power levels, offers some additional versatility. However, minor velocity adjustments are easy on the RAW with the spring adjustment. Without a programmer, you have the 3 power levels on the RW, but that's it. As it turns out, mine shoots the 18 grain well on High, and the 16 well on M, so I can't complain. Everyone except me raves about the RW trigger. Don't misunderstand, it is an excellent trigger. But, like everything else about the rifle, different from mechanical. It is not a sear breaking clean from a lever, but a pressure switch. It does not have the breaking glass rod, crisp feel of a really good mechanical trigger. But, it is repeatable, and adjustable over a wide range. My biggest complaint (call it an observation maybe), as a two-stage trigger, the first stage is pretty useless. I adjusted out the first stage, which allows a very good single stage trigger to be set up. One purpose of a good, two-stage trigger, is to spread the let off pressure as the shooter wants it, thus allowing a relatively heavy trigger to be very manageable by allowing a light additional pressure to break the second stage (ask any service rifle shooter). Can't do that with this trigger. It's first stage is light and kind of sloppy. But, the good news, you can get rid of it and have a good single stage trigger. Which rifle shoots better? Well, they both shoot better than I can shoot. My guess, if you shot groups from the bench with 10 randomly selected rifles of each model, the RAW rifles would display the better aggregate group size. Two very different, and interesting rifles. And, as Warren Page said, "only accurate rifles are interesting" (as mentioned below, this is incorrect, it was a Townsend Whelen quote). 

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    DeutschKSK
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    My redwolf HP .22 outshot my RAW .25 hands down. 

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    jarmstrong
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    or was it Townsend Whelen? O well, still very true

    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1226027

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    Richieg
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    Get ahold of Ken Hicks owner of SPAW WEAPONS. He sell and tunes BOTH and can answer ALL your questions.

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    elh0102
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    jarmstrong

    or was it Townsend Whelen? O well, still very true

    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1226027

    Your are absolutely right, it was Townsend Whelen. 

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    Sell682
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    I own a .22 RW HP and owned a RAW .25 H1000x. Accuracy I would give a slight advantage to the RW because being electronic the lock time is non existent I guess masks my mistakes better. Additionally shooting the .22 redesign monster the BC is higher than the .25 33.98 MKI pellets. The RW has a nice adjustable two stage trigger but as mentioned by someone else earlier you cannot compare to the feel of a well tuned mechanical trigger for me advantage RAW. I prefer the feel of the RAW mechanical trigger. Adjustability I give a slight lead to RW because you have three power levels which you can setup to your liking, but RAW wins with the ease of setup because you don’t need a programmer. As for air usage/ efficiency I give the lead to RW with it’s electronic valve it sips air with little to no waste. For stocks I say they are even maybe the RW is a bit flasher in laminate, but the RAW is built like a tank and has a 20MOA? slant on picatinney scope rail.

    Both guns get the job done, these are my comments and as mentioned I OWNED a RAW and still have the RW. The RW is just a better fit for me and I am getting better accuracy/precision. 

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    mubhaur
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    I have HM1000X  .25 60 ftlb and HM1000X  .22 50 ftlb.

    Among these two my .22 with 25 grain jsb redesigned pellets is neck and neck in accuracy with  .25 with 34grain jsb. 

    At 100 yards  in no wind conditions  .22  25 grain redesigned pellets give a bit better groups at around 935fps. 

    I don't have Redwolf hence I can't comment on it.

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