RAW HM1000x .22

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I cut brush today so I can shoot to 100 yards on my summer range but was to pooped to shoot when I got done. Dead calm too! I was shooting the other day at 75 and groups were 3/8 to 5/8 with no wind and my RAW averages 946 with the 25g redesigned. What kind of groups are you getting past 80? Claude Balzack,out?
 
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First easy thing to try, back off the hammer spring to decrease velocity and see if the pellets destabilise sooner, if so, you will need to increase velocity but to do this you will have to increase the reg pressure and hammer load.

If the pellets remain stable at the lower velocity, see if they are better or worse at 100 yards. 20fps can make a big difference to group sizes. Personally I would rather hit a target at 920fps than miss at 950fps.



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My RAW HM1000X .22 with BSA barrel shoots great at 100 yards at around 990fps while using 25 grain redesigned monster pellets. 

These pellets normally like a bit faster twist rate and / or high fps.

I can't change the twist rate of barrel but the fps are in my control. 

I hope this will help.

But my RAW is a modified upgraded gun capable of shooting these 25 grain pellets at a bit more than 1000 fps.

I understand that standard RAW will shoot these pellets at around 955 fps.

Bucketboy is spot on.

Regards,

Umair Bhaur 
 
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My RAW HM1000X .22 with BSA barrel shoots great at 100 yards at around 990fps while using 25 grain redesigned monster pellets. 

These pellets normally like a bit faster twist rate and / or high fps.

I can't change the twist rate of barrel but the fps are in my control. 

I hope this will help.

But my RAW is a modified upgraded gun capable of shooting these 25 grain pellets at a bit more than 1000 fps.

I understand that standard RAW will shoot these pellets at around 955 fps.

Bucketboy is spot on.

Regards,

Umair Bhaur
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Umair

I just got my RAW .22 HM1000x back from Martin several weeks ago at 930 FPS average. I had it converted back to my original.22 Poly barrel from a .30 cal barrel previously.

My 100 yard EBR Targets with the JSB 25g RDs were not great, but not bad. I tweaked the HST to 950 FPS and posted a 214 and a 220. Much better at 950, but I do feel 970-980 would even be better.

Q. How did you tune your RAW .22 HP to 990 FPS, and what is the reg pressure at that velocity?


Thanks

Tom 
 
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I just finished three hours of shooting and all I can say is the wind blows and I suck! I had a light to moderate wind cumming in at a 45 from right to left. The wind was up and down and my groups showed it. Two inches was the best of the two and the other was three. I stopped at two because with the wind I was not going to see any thing to judge the true performance of the pellet. I then shot a group at 75 that was about a half inch,but the wind was blocked more by the timber. I also wanted to test some slugs in .177. They impressed me! All my groups were 12 shots. I also shot some at 50,no need to elaborate on them. I was also dealing with my targets being in the shade and I have a cataract that needs to be removed from my shooting eye. Blind Robin,out? 
 
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I just finished three hours of shooting and all I can say is the wind blows and I suck! I had a light to moderate wind cumming in at a 45 from right to left. The wind was up and down and my groups showed it. Two inches was the best of the two and the other was three. I stopped at two because with the wind I was not going to see any thing to judge the true performance of the pellet. I then shot a group at 75 that was about a half inch,but the wind was blocked more by the timber. I also wanted to test some slugs in .177. They impressed me! All my groups were 12 shots. I also shot some at 50,no need to elaborate on them. I was also dealing with my targets being in the shade and I have a cataract that needs to be removed from my shooting eye. Blind Robin,out?
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Alias, LOL...you are a glutton for punishment in that wind! Still pretty impressive despite that wind! Slugs definitely slice through crosswind much better than pellets....luv these unchoked poly barrels!
 
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My RAW HM1000X .22 with BSA barrel shoots great at 100 yards at around 990fps while using 25 grain redesigned monster pellets. 

These pellets normally like a bit faster twist rate and / or high fps.

I can't change the twist rate of barrel but the fps are in my control. 

I hope this will help.

But my RAW is a modified upgraded gun capable of shooting these 25 grain pellets at a bit more than 1000 fps.

I understand that standard RAW will shoot these pellets at around 955 fps.

Bucketboy is spot on.

Regards,

Umair Bhaur
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Umair

I just got my RAW .22 HM1000x back from Martin several weeks ago at 930 FPS average. I had it converted back to my original.22 Poly barrel from a .30 cal barrel previously.

My 100 yard EBR Targets with the JSB 25g RDs were not great, but not bad. I tweaked the HST to 950 FPS and posted a 214 and a 220. Much better at 950, but I do feel 970-980 would even be better.

Q. How did you tune your RAW .22 HP to 990 FPS, and what is the reg pressure at that velocity?


Thanks

Tom
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Dear,

Please see my post " A tale if two RAWs".

Everything of modification is given in the post.

Regards,

Umair Bhaur 
 
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you have to ckeck the batch of pellet, those redesigned pellet have changed..... i have a wolverine R HP shooting those redesigned @905 fps and groups at 100yds are always less than 1" in calm conditions, double checked pellet stability thru my scope cam in slow motion and they are very stable, have to say that i have a big stock of those first batches of these redesigned pellets!!
 
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Umair

I just got my RAW .22 HM1000x back from Martin several weeks ago at 930 FPS average. I had it converted back to my original.22 Poly barrel from a .30 cal barrel previously.

My 100 yard EBR Targets with the JSB 25g RDs were not great, but not bad. I tweaked the HST to 950 FPS and posted a 214 and a 220. Much better at 950, but I do feel 970-980 would even be better.

Q. How did you tune your RAW .22 HP to 990 FPS, and what is the reg pressure at that velocity?


Thanks

Tom
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Dear,

Please see my post " A tale if two RAWs".

Everything of modification is given in the post.

Regards,

Umair Bhaur
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Umair,

I did read that post ( i.e., "a tale of two raws") and it was very impressive. All of your mods are way beyond my skill/understanding, but thanks for the nice read. 

I'm generally satisfied with my RAW HP .22 results at 950 FPS at 100 yards BR with the HST turned up as far as I can and w/o readjusting the regulator. I know some others are finding 970-980 FPS to be the 'sweet spot' for the JSB 25g redesigns @ 100 yards with different brands/guns, which is why I was curious as to what you did. 

It appears that at that velocity ( 970-980 FPS), the pellet spiraling does not occur to at least out to 100 yard distances. They may again spiral beyond 100 yards, but I really don't know since I don't shoot beyond 100 yards currently.

Thanks for the information.

Tom


 
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I think the problem today are not the barrels or regulators, the problem are those redesigned pellets, they are coming in very different than the first ones that came out, i have a good amount of those old ones and they work great even at relatively low speeds out of my daystate wolverine r hp, have tested them from 850 up to 960 and they’re very accurate. Don’t know at all why JSB changed them, since that happened, people began to talk about spirals and inaccuracy..... hope they fix it quickly!
 
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Anyone else shooting the HM1000x with .22 25 gr. Redesign s at 100 yards? I’m finding that the pellet is destabilizing at about 80 yards or so. If that isn’t happening to you, would you mind telling me what speed you are shooting? I’m at 950 FPS and see them wobble before they get to the target. 

thanks,



Crusher
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Bill, 

Went to the range today, and shot the RAW. I kept the RAW at 950 FPS and got a new 10-sleeve of JSB RDs from Trenier and tried them out on some NUAH targets. 

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This is a 7-shot group at 100 yards, wind at 6mph. I plugged them with Mike N's .35 caliber scoring plug also. 

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At the end of the day, I backed off the HST to 930 again, because Martin and I had been texting back and forth and he is getting excellent results at 100 yards at 930 FPS. I almost cannot tell which is better; 930 or 950 FPS. All of these targets today were shot at 950 FPS. 

The EBR Targets were shot this past Monday with the RDs

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Thanks for sharing that Tommy. This HM1000x isn't shooting as good as your targets. My hp 22 won't tune above about 955 at the current reg settings. I'll have to go up with the reg to get any more out of it. That 955 is right on top of the knee of the curve. I don't like to shoot there.

I have a huma onhand. I'm going to take out the stock reg and test it. Then set the huma just a bit higher and put it in the gun and see how it does. If the higher speeds don't help, I'll just put the other reg back in the gun and forget about trying to shoot it at 100 yards.

And thanks for the suggestions Bucket. That was the very first thing I tried. I slowed it down to 940, then 930, then 920 and finally to 900. It felt like it was lobbing them into the target at that point. I would have taken it down to about 875, but there isn't enough HST to adjust it that low. At the lower speeds the pellets just destabilized sooner. Until I got down to 900. Then they started coming apart out at about 75 yards again. That is the reason I was asking about FPS. I'm wondering if they are stable at anything lower than 900. Like 875-850? I'd hate to shoot them that slow, but whatever works.

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This is how my RAW 22 is shooting at 100.



And this is how my Evol .30 can shoot at 100.

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Shot the RAW again yesterday. I ran out of the JSB RDs so I had a new tin of 18.1 grains and was trying to shoot some EBR Target cards. Never shot the 18 with the HM1000x .22, so I had no choice. Shoot the 18s or go home early.

FX Radar had them flying at a whopping 1060 FPS with an ES of 7 for a ten shot string I recorded. Next up, shoot some cards and see what happens. Surprisingly, not as bad as I thought. Shot 5 EBR cards fairly quickly and had a 195, 203, 206, 206, and a 210. Not good I know, but I expected much worse at that high velocity. Pics available, but don’t think anyone is interested. If so, I can post.

I may experiment and turn HST much lower and see if that helps, but I am not holding my breath either but I want to find out too.
 
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Shot the RAW again yesterday. I ran out of the JSB RDs so I had a new tin of 18.1 grains and was trying to shoot some EBR Target cards. Never shot the 18 with the HM1000x .22, so I had no choice. Shoot the 18s or go home early.

FX Radar had them flying at a whopping 1060 FPS with an ES of 7 for a ten shot string I recorded. Next up, shoot some cards and see what happens. Surprisingly, not as bad as I thought. Shot 5 EBR cards fairly quickly and had a 195, 203, 206, 206, and a 210. Not good I know, but I expected much worse at that high velocity. Pics available, but don’t think anyone is interested. If so, I can post.

I may experiment and turn HST much lower and see if that helps, but I am not holding my breath either but I want to find out too.
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Interesting, I would try the 18’s at 840fps, yes I know that sounds slow but on all my guns, that seems to be the sweet spot for diabolo pellets. Also, more shots per fill, less noise👍


Bb
 
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Shot the RAW again yesterday. I ran out of the JSB RDs so I had a new tin of 18.1 grains and was trying to shoot some EBR Target cards. Never shot the 18 with the HM1000x .22, so I had no choice. Shoot the 18s or go home early.

FX Radar had them flying at a whopping 1060 FPS with an ES of 7 for a ten shot string I recorded. Next up, shoot some cards and see what happens. Surprisingly, not as bad as I thought. Shot 5 EBR cards fairly quickly and had a 195, 203, 206, 206, and a 210. Not good I know, but I expected much worse at that high velocity. Pics available, but don’t think anyone is interested. If so, I can post.

I may experiment and turn HST much lower and see if that helps, but I am not holding my breath either but I want to find out too.
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Interesting, I would try the 18’s at 840fps, yes I know that sounds slow but on all my guns, that seems to be the sweet spot for diabolo pellets. Also, more shots per fill, less noise
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Bb
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Thanks BB. 

im not sure I can turn the HST down low enough on the RAW to get to 840 FPS, but I will try that on one of my future outings. It’s shooting 1060 FPS now at the current setting but it’s worth a good try. I would love 840 or anything close as it would save air an$ improve shot count. Plus, it would be nice to have another good option beyond the RD for ammo.
 
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Shot the RAW again yesterday. I ran out of the JSB RDs so I had a new tin of 18.1 grains and was trying to shoot some EBR Target cards. Never shot the 18 with the HM1000x .22, so I had no choice. Shoot the 18s or go home early.

FX Radar had them flying at a whopping 1060 FPS with an ES of 7 for a ten shot string I recorded. Next up, shoot some cards and see what happens. Surprisingly, not as bad as I thought. Shot 5 EBR cards fairly quickly and had a 195, 203, 206, 206, and a 210. Not good I know, but I expected much worse at that high velocity. Pics available, but don’t think anyone is interested. If so, I can post.

I may experiment and turn HST much lower and see if that helps, but I am not holding my breath either but I want to find out too.
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Interesting, I would try the 18’s at 840fps, yes I know that sounds slow but on all my guns, that seems to be the sweet spot for diabolo pellets. Also, more shots per fill, less noise
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Bb
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Thanks BB. 

im not sure I can turn the HST down low enough on the RAW to get to 840 FPS, but I will try that on one of my future outings. It’s shooting 1060 FPS now at the current setting but it’s worth a good try. I would love 840 or anything close as it would save air an$ improve shot count. Plus, it would be nice to have another good option beyond the RD for ammo.
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It is worth investing in a few hammer springs for your RAW and cut the coils to suit the power you are after. My .25 RAW1000x will happily, and consistently shot Pellets from as low as 525fps to 960fps just by swapping springs over.. To optimise it’s consistency further, I have a few spare reg cores that are preset to different reg pressures.



here is a quick guide.... cut coil with a quality pair of snips or dremel....heat cut end to cherry red then immediately push onto a flat metal surface... finish both ends on a grinder, sanding wheel or sheet of emery paper...polish both the internal and external coils to ensure the spring moves as freely as possible over the spring guide and inside the hammer.

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Trust me, it’s well worth the effort 



Bb
 
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