RAW HM 1000x vs FX Crown

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Boy, I knew this one was going to stir the pot so I'll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents. I'm admittedly a FX fan. I've had many many guns before from Marauders, Cricket, DS, AA's, AF, Vulcan and probably a couple of more I've forgot about but I'm really happy with the three that I have now. Wasn't too long ago I owned a RAW 25 HMX 1000. I'll admit it's built like a tank and shot well and the overall the build quality is probably a tad better than the FX. Accuracy wise though not any better than my Royale or Crown. I also think on any given day one top shelf brand (RAW, DS and FX) in my hands could out shoot the other. I have since installed a 30cal barrel on my Crown and the accuracy on it is phenomenal but that's another story. I personally prefer the feel of the Royale/Crown in my hands compared to the RAW that I had. Both of the guns in the shoot-out are great guns no doubt. I think it's pretty cool having a comparison and sure there are better ways to do it to get the best out of each gun.

JK
 
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Let’s face it, there is nothing between all the top end guns, be that raw, fx, daystate, steyr or air arms. all are extremely accurate, all have both good and bad points all have a loyal fan base.

while I really like the crown, being a rapid fan boy, I would choose the RAW everyday, very solid build, beautiful trigger and easy to tune, but they are far from perfect. While I might get a torrent of abuse for saying this, they are not very well made, some of the machining is a little ropey for a high priced gun. There are plenty of hop up parts made by shed tuners that easily out perform the spec parts. Valves, regs, inertia weights, and even SSG spring guides are routinely fitted that improve the gun no end, either increasing shot count, or power, better consistency and definitely making it quieter. The pellet probe is wonky while the mag is clonky, the valves are not very efficient, the filter robs power,, the hammer channel does not aligned correctly with the valve and the pip does not run concentric with the hammer. As for the carbon used on the both the barrel and mod, you would have to travel a long way to find anything worse, (sorry RAW lovers but it’s true) 

However, I am sure though, that if I were to take a crown apart I would find equally as many bad points with that.

What I really like about the RAW/rapid block is it versatility, sub12fpe-150+. .177 -.357. Pistol to bullpup, to carbine to long rifle, the RAW can do it all and it can do it all well.

Bb






 
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Let’s face it, there is nothing between all the top end guns, be that raw, fx, daystate, steyr or air arms. all are extremely accurate, all have both good and bad points all have a loyal fan base.

while I really like the crown, being a rapid fan boy, I would choose the RAW everyday, very solid build, beautiful trigger and easy to tune, but they are far from perfect. While I might get a torrent of abuse for saying this, they are not very well made, some of the machining is a little ropey for a high priced gun. There are plenty of hop up parts made by shed tuners that easily out perform the spec parts. Valves, regs, inertia weights, and even SSG spring guides are routinely fitted that improve the gun no end, either increasing shot count, or power, better consistency and definitely making it quieter. The pellet probe is wonky while the mag is clonky, the valves are not very efficient, the filter robs power,, the hammer channel does not aligned correctly with the valve and the pip does not run concentric with the hammer. As for the carbon used on the both the barrel and mod, you would have to travel a long way to find anything worse, (sorry RAW lovers but it’s true) 

However, I am sure though, that if I were to take a crown apart I would find equally as many bad points with that.

What I really like about the RAW/rapid block is it versatility, sub12fpe-150+. .177 -.357. Pistol to bullpup, to carbine to long rifle, the RAW can do it all and it can do it all well.

Bb





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I'm suddenly not as excited for my new HMx to arrive tomorrow.
 
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One thing (among many IMHO) the RAW has going for it is it's simplicity of design. I was shooting a bench rest competition this weekend and blew out the o-ring on the thimble. Took out the barrel and thimble, replaced the o-ring (with some help, never done it before) and was back and ready to shoot the next card. BTW, I've had this rifle (TM1000 20fpe) since 2016 and have shot it a ton in both bench rest and field target and this is the first thing to go wrong with it. 

I wonder if the Crown would have been serviced so easily and quickly (I actually don't know).

Chas
 
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I have had 4-Raws (still own -3) & 1-Fx Crown in .22 both good! But like Chas eluded to and my experience with Raw’s plus everyone I shoot with in competition they are bulletproof! It’s mainly RAWS and THOMAS’s where I shoot (most have more than one!) they just don’t break and their consistent and accurate, I will concede they don’t have the highest shot count per fill? But my experience is once truly broken in...very low SD’s!
 
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One thing (among many IMHO) the RAW has going for it is it's simplicity of design. I was shooting a bench rest competition this weekend and blew out the o-ring on the thimble. Took out the barrel and thimble, replaced the o-ring (with some help, never done it before) and was back and ready to shoot the next card. BTW, I've had this rifle (TM1000 20fpe) since 2016 and have shot it a ton in both bench rest and field target and this is the first thing to go wrong with it. 

I wonder if the Crown would have been serviced so easily and quickly (I actually don't know).

Chas
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Yes, almost bomb proof and with a minimal amount of parts so very little to go wrong, I have an old mk1 rapid, ( the older step brother of the raw) that has only ever blown 1 o ring in 24years) 

i am surprised you still use the indexing thimble, once I have found the sweet spot on the barrel, I cut the thimble off re-machine and port the barrel in that position. One less thing to fail, zero chance of barrel rotation and the engineering tolerance between the thimble and barrel is a joke. On the two I have set up, push the pellet onto the barrel with a cocktail stick and you can feel the pellet jump over the joint between the two. IMO the thimble needs to have might tighter tolerances or be longer, preferably both.

Am I nit picking? Almost certainly but there are little things that can be done to turn a good rifle, into a great rifle. 

Bb


 
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