RAW HM1000X LRT

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Looks like the rifle/regulator has settled in at 905fps with the 25.39gr kings. 50 good consistent shots on the reg. Once it comes off the reg at 150 bar power increases for a short string. Off the reg around 140 bar I had a shot go 965!! I just stopped there. Im sure I could increase hammer spring tension to get more velocity but I aint touching SH-T with the accuracy Im getting. Just putting this out there for those intrested.
 
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I think you should be able to do better with a 25 cal bottle gun. 

If you look at the air efficiency on guns like the 25 cal Cricket, Bobcat, Wildcat and Vulcan, they are getting far more shots once you adjust for tube sizes and barrel lengths. 

My Cricket is set up for slightly more power than your RAW but I am still getting over 60 consistent shots per fill from a significantly smaller reservoir. I would expect more from a 480cc bottle. I bet Ernest could work some magic on that thing to improve it's efficiency. 
 
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zebraI think you should be able to do better with a 25 cal bottle gun. 

If you look at the air efficiency on guns like the 25 cal Cricket, Bobcat, Wildcat and Vulcan, they are getting far more shots once you adjust for tube sizes and barrel lengths. 

My Cricket is set up for slightly more power than your RAW but I am still getting over 60 consistent shots per fill from a significantly smaller reservoir. I would expect more from a 480cc bottle. I bet Ernest could work some magic on that thing to improve it's efficiency.
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That was off a 220 bar fill. Leaving a little headroom.....says I can fill to 230 Bar. Does your cricket charge to 250BAR? I may turn it up a bit and see what happens. Still getting to know the rifle. I knew it wasnt going to be super efficient going into the deal but its not bad. It makes up in other areas for me. Should be real easy to increase power. I might call Martin and see if he suggest doing so. My primary goal is accuracy. I am curious to see what I can get out of the mk2 heavies tho.....may turn up and see what happens. I know nothing about balancing valve tension with main hammer tension. I do want to learn tho. Just looking at the 1000X it looks like it would be easy to adjust both.....just a allen key from the outside.
 
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"Marksman3006"
"zebra"I think you should be able to do better with a 25 cal bottle gun. 

If you look at the air efficiency on guns like the 25 cal Cricket, Bobcat, Wildcat and Vulcan, they are getting far more shots once you adjust for tube sizes and barrel lengths. 

My Cricket is set up for slightly more power than your RAW but I am still getting over 60 consistent shots per fill from a significantly smaller reservoir. I would expect more from a 480cc bottle. I bet Ernest could work some magic on that thing to improve it's efficiency.
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That was off a 220 bar fill. Leaving a little headroom.....says I can fill to 230 Bar. Does your cricket charge to 250BAR? I may turn it up a bit and see what happens. Still getting to know the rifle. I knew it wasnt going to be super efficient going into the deal but its not bad. It makes up in other areas for me. Should be real easy to increase power. I might call Martin and see if he suggest doing so. My primary goal is accuracy. I am curious to see what I can get out of the mk2 heavies tho.....may turn up and see what happens. I know nothing about balancing valve tension with main hammer tension. I do want to learn tho. Just looking at the 1000X it looks like it would be easy to adjust both.....just a allen key from the outside.
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You have me curious. I was under the assumption that he tunes the rifle for optimal accuracy. The good thing is you are doing the legwork for me when I get my LRT. Not really......... That's all the fun! 
I did get a case already for the RAW. I just won a raffle at work for a Pelican 1750 rifle case.
 
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You have me curious. I was under the assumption that he tunes the rifle for optimal accuracy. The good thing is you are doing the legwork for me when I get my LRT. Not really......... That all the fun! 
I did get a case already for the RAW. I just won a raffle at work for a Pelican 1750 rifle case.[/quote]


I will be getting a pelican soon for the raw as well. Im a gearhead/tinkerer. I will get her dialed exactly where I want. But seriously......I dont have to do anything as the accuracy is stellar as is. I wouldnt mind having a reg tester for the raw to experiment with the mk2 heavies. I could always put it exactly back where it is at. Im a reloader.....so Im gunna try and tweak it. If I couod get the same accuracy at 940fps.....I would rather have the 940.
 
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"Marksman3006"
"zebra"I think you should be able to do better with a 25 cal bottle gun. 

If you look at the air efficiency on guns like the 25 cal Cricket, Bobcat, Wildcat and Vulcan, they are getting far more shots once you adjust for tube sizes and barrel lengths. 

My Cricket is set up for slightly more power than your RAW but I am still getting over 60 consistent shots per fill from a significantly smaller reservoir. I would expect more from a 480cc bottle. I bet Ernest could work some magic on that thing to improve it's efficiency.
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That was off a 220 bar fill. Leaving a little headroom.....says I can fill to 230 Bar. Does your cricket charge to 250BAR? I may turn it up a bit and see what happens. Still getting to know the rifle. I knew it wasnt going to be super efficient going into the deal but its not bad. It makes up in other areas for me. Should be real easy to increase power. I might call Martin and see if he suggest doing so. My primary goal is accuracy. I am curious to see what I can get out of the mk2 heavies tho.....may turn up and see what happens. I know nothing about balancing valve tension with main hammer tension. I do want to learn tho. Just looking at the 1000X it looks like it would be easy to adjust both.....just a allen key from the outside.
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The Cricket max fill is 300 bar I believe but I rarely fill it past 225.

I think Cricket's are particularly efficient with air. It's one of the things I like about it. It lasts ages between fills. 

While it isn't always the case, I typically find that my guns are most accurate and consistent at the point where they are most efficient. They are also quietest when there is less wasted air. 

It kinda defeats the purpose of having a bottle if you don't get tons of shots from it. While you can easily live with 50 shots from a fill, I bet filling that bottle really drains your scba tank which ultimately mean less convenience. 


 
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The Cricket max fill is 300 bar I believe but I rarely fill it past 225.

I think Cricket's are particularly efficient with air. It's one of the things I like about it. It lasts ages between fills. 

While it isn't always the case, I typically find that my guns are most accurate and consistent at the point where they are most efficient. They are also quietest when there is less wasted air. 

It kinda defeats the purpose of having a bottle if you don't get tons of shots from it. While you can easily live with 50 shots from a fill, I bet filling that bottle really drains your scba tank which ultimately mean less convenience. 


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It does use more air than my Wolverine B hilite .22. I have a great white scba tank and can shoot alot without issues. In my mind......the perfect gun would be my regulated RAW with some type of anti hammer bounce......like a daystate harper slingshot or something...complete with a daystate magazine. But honestly, no gun is perfect. For what Im looking for at this time.....I honestly believe this RAW .25 LRT comes as close as I can get to perfection for what Im looking for. I havent stretched the legs too far on it yet.....but it was stacking pellets with authority at 75 yards today. By the time I finished 10 shot groups....was kinda a big hole in the paper well under a inch. What the RAW brings to the table is arguably the best build quality out there. My Wolverine is built just as well too. I wanted long range accuracy. The trigger is second to none, the stock is basically custom fit with the adjustments and is one of my favorite things about the rifle. A recessed accessory rail is awesome and Im glad my atlas is back in service. The picatinny scope rail is long overdue......love that. A whole new universe of scope mounts avail. I LOVE the way there is no breech oring....or probe oring. Nothing to wear out there. Can pull a tight patxh through the barrel without fear of dislodging an oring in a baffle. It has alot going for it. The accuracy is amazing so far....and that is 90% of why I got the gun. The potential for power is definitely there. But that is secondary to accuracy for me. I will be playing around at some point to see what I can get out of the mk2 heavies.
 
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"Goodtogo"How many shooters at AOA's EBR last month were shooting Crickets at 100 yards? Maybe Marksman is looking for something beside the most shots? And maybe it was just looks that got him? ;)
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That means nothing and you can have both. Guns like the Cricket, Bobcat, Wildcat and Mutant are typically very efficient and very accurate. There is no reason to assume that tuning a RAW rifle to it's optimal point would make it innacurate. It might even improve it.



 
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I tweaked the hammer spring tension to put me at 930fps with the 25grainers. The gun definitly prefers this over 905fps. The gun is actually a hair more accurate at 930.....but I believe this is due to the rifle being a 1000X vs 1000. The larger volume shooting chamber on the 1000x has a tighter ES at 930.....thus improved accuracy. Furthermore, there is no harsh increase in velocity as I come off the reg....
This resulted in a gradual increase in velocity up to 950 fps once at 150 bar....this is now a usable range for hunting. At 50 yards the poi difference was only about a quarter inch from the 930 regulated. All in all.....I didnt lose any shots off a fill by going to 930 and actually gained a hair of accuracy.
This only required about one half turn of the spring tensioner.

There was no difference in sound after the adjustment......the gun still sounds tuned/tight quiet report.

I will do a very detailed review in a few weeks. I want to fully know the rifle first. I can say tho without hesitation that I would buy again and recommend.
 
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DirteAnything you would change if you were going to order the same gun again?
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I wouldn't change anything. I know you can opt out of the adjustable cheek riser and butt pad and save some bucks. Im glad I didnt tho. I wouldnt change a thing. This is my first 25 caliber and the biggest caliber airgun Ive ever owned. Im pretty sure I will never go bigger. This 25 has more than enough power for my uses. I shot two pellets at a 2X4 at 20 yards. They were stacked on top of one another. They busted out the back of the 2X4. I dont know if the first one went clean thru or if the second one finished the job. Either way.......It is quite a significant increase in power over my .22 wolverine. I think the hardest decision here is caliber. Being I have a wolverine .22.........the decision was easy for me. The .30 and .357 are probably awesome......but overkill for me.
 
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DirteI like everything that the .22 delivers except I wanted a .25 for breezy days. Hard decision for me.
I have a AA TX200 .177, AA 510 .177 and a FX Royale .22. and may choose another .22 for my next gun. Who knows every gun I have is the first decent airgun I have shot. I wish I could test them out first. Just powder guys here that I know of.
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I wish I could help you, I would let you shoot mine for a day but we are too far apart. Ultimately, your faced with the same decision I had to make and it was a hard one for me. There is no right or wrong here. My RAW .25 vs Wolverine hilite .22 is a tough call while target shooting at 50 yards...slight edge to the RAW. Move that same question out to 75 yards and there is no contest......RAW everytime. I havent shot at 100 yet but plan to do so next week. This is a hobby for all of us and we do it because we enjoy it. I love target shooting and hunting. Being you have a .22 Royal 400 you may consider either a .177 or .25. If your primary goal is to be more forgiving in the wind......then the .25 for sure.
 
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To the OP, 

First off, excellent info on this rifle. I think you pretty much solidified my decision to purchase a nearly identical rifle. Question for ya... Have you tried the 31gr Beeman Kodiaks? Back when I had my AZ tuned Rapid in .25 cal, those were the jam. I regret selling that rifle everyday which is partially my motivation for buying the HM1000X. Do you see any reason you couldnt sling the 31 gr Kodiaks or 34gr JSB's at around 900 for 55-60 ft lbs?

Thanks again and congrats on that rifle....
 
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SocalTrailTo the OP, 

First off, excellent info on this rifle. I think you pretty much solidified my decision to purchase a nearly identical rifle. Question for ya... Have you tried the 31gr Beeman Kodiaks? Back when I had my AZ tuned Rapid in .25 cal, those were the jam. I regret selling that rifle everyday which is partially my motivation for buying the HM1000X. Do you see any reason you couldnt sling the 31 gr Kodiaks or 34gr JSB's at around 900 for 55-60 ft lbs?

Thanks again and congrats on that rifle....
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To be honest I dont know. It might be possible or you could get close. I suspect you would need to increase hammer spring tension by shims or something. I could max out spring tension for a few shots and see what it does at my current settings for yall. I have to work 12 hour shifts for the next 5 nights. When I shoot at 100yrds next Thursday I will do just that and shoot a few over the crony just to see. I dont have any beeman kodiaks at the moment but I have the jsb heavies in mk1 and 2.
 
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"Marksman3006"
"Dirte"I like everything that the .22 delivers except I wanted a .25 for breezy days. Hard decision for me.
I have a AA TX200 .177, AA 510 .177 and a FX Royale .22. and may choose another .22 for my next gun. Who knows every gun I have is the first decent airgun I have shot. I wish I could test them out first. Just powder guys here that I know of.
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I wish I could help you, I would let you shoot mine for a day but we are too far apart. Ultimately, your faced with the same decision I had to make and it was a hard one for me. There is no right or wrong here. My RAW .25 vs Wolverine hilite .22 is a tough call while target shooting at 50 yards...slight edge to the RAW. Move that same question out to 75 yards and there is no contest......RAW everytime. I havent shot at 100 yet but plan to do so next week. This is a hobby for all of us and we do it because we enjoy it. I love target shooting and hunting. Being you have a .22 Royal 400 you may consider either a .177 or .25. If your primary goal is to be more forgiving in the wind......then the .25 for sure.
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I am a big fan of 25 caliber for hunting. It is significantly more effective on small game. I think it is best for everyone to have at least one 25 and one 22. I definitely find occasion to use both (depending on what I am doing).

I can use my 22 Mutant without anyone knowing what I'm doing because it's so quiet. I then pull out the Cricket to hunt slightly further out.

If deciding between the calibers on a specific rifle, for me it would depend on the brand. I don't think brands like Daystate, Air Arms and BSA do a particularly good job on their 25's. They seem more like an afterthought and often just the 22 with a different barrel instead of giving them more power (to handle the larger projectile) and more air. Brands like RAW, FX, Kalibrgun give you a 25 with the power and air to make it worth it. Daystate does make an excellent 22 though. 

A 25 should have 45-50fpe out of the box and never less than 30 shots per fill on cheaper guns and 50+ on anything over $1,000 unless it's a pistol carbine thingy. I never like to see guns that can barely spit out 15 shots before needing a refill in this day and age. 
 
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