Pulsar .22 Baffle Pellet Strike Issues

My Pulsar is a 22 and I have had no issues until yesterday. After loading a magazine with JSB 15.89s and firing the first round out of the magazine, there was no target strike. I removed the magazine to check and see if a pellet had been loaded and the chamber in the magazine was empty. I thought maybe that the pellet may have hung up in the barrel so I removed the magazine and looked down the barrel and it was clear. This seemed kind of strange I thought maybe the pallet might have exited and just been a flyer that was off target. This morning I returned to shooting and noticed that the pellets were all over the place on the target. I loaded a third magazine to check and see if it was the pellet or some other issue and had the same thing happened with no target strike on the target by a pellet . I removed the magazine and looked down the barrel again but noticed that there seem to be a rattling noise in the shroud. I removed the shroud from the weapon and removed the baffles and spring and the shroud and to my amazement found the baffles riddled with holes and and two pellets. 

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After investigation, I think i found the root cause of the problem. The allen screws on the Bush (part 32 on parts diagram) were lose enough that the spring tension on the baffles had pushed it down the barrel enough to misalign the it with the shroud. This coupled with not enough spring pressure to firmly hold the baffles in place caused the pellet strike. I noticed that when I unscrewed the shroud that there was little or no spring pressure when the shroud disengaged from the anchor point.



I removed the spring and destroyed baffels, tightened the allen screws on the Bush, reassembled the weapon and it shoots fine now.

Has anyone else had this issue? I have also noticed a 20 fps drop in speed for all pellets on H, M, L setting from three weeks ago. I have an FX chrony and check pellet speed regularly. I changed the batteries yesterday, but the speed degradation remains. Any ideas on what may be causing that? If you own a Pulsar you may want to check and make sure the Bush allen screws have not loosened.

Any help would be appreciated.


 
Charlie -

DO NOT...tighten the spring stop tightly..!!!

I've had my .22 Renegade apart to shorten it. The way that the spring stop / barrel is designed, the locating set screws go into the small pockets drilled into the barrel. If you tighten those too much, it WILL put a load in the "inside" of the barrel. While I don't know what it will do to the accuracy, it will change the inner barrel dimension at those two points.

I would remove the set screws, put a drop of blue Loctite on them, and LIGHTLY snug them back into the pockets in the barrel.

I shortened my Renegade to 26-3/4" (a little more of a true "bullpup" length) without removing any of the baffles (3 in my guns shroud). No baffle clipping in my shortened shroud.

Mike
 
I just checked the screws on my Pulsar and my Renegade, all tight. But there are no baffles in either of my guns. The spring is at least twice as long as the diagram indicates, so apparently they were designed that way.

I did find a mangled pellet in the Renegade's shroud.

How old is your Pulsar?

Purchased from AOA Feb of 2020. 
 
Charlie -

DO NOT...tighten the spring stop tightly..!!!

I've had my .22 Renegade apart to shorten it. The way that the spring stop / barrel is designed, the locating set screws go into the small pockets drilled into the barrel. If you tighten those too much, it WILL put a load in the "inside" of the barrel. While I don't know what it will do to the accuracy, it will change the inner barrel dimension at those two points.

I would remove the set screws, put a drop of blue Loctite on them, and LIGHTLY snug them back into the pockets in the barrel.

I shortened my Renegade to 26-3/4" (a little more of a true "bullpup" length) without removing any of the baffles (3 in my guns shroud). No baffle clipping in my shortened shroud.

Mike

Thanks, followed your advice. With no spring pressure, should have no movement. Light tork on both screws. 
 
I just checked the screws on my Pulsar and my Renegade, all tight. But there are no baffles in either of my guns. The spring is at least twice as long as the diagram indicates, so apparently they were designed that way.

I did find a mangled pellet in the Renegade's shroud.

How old is your Pulsar?

hawkeye -

You have "no" baffles ? That's what helps quiet the gun. The spring doesn't do anything by itself.

My Renegade as also Charlie's Pulsar, have three baffles as shown in his pictures above. That sounds odd you don't have any plastic baffles. The spring is useless without the cups.

When I took my Renegades shroud off, one set screw was lightly snug, the other was a little tighter. In my "many" years as an Aerospace Engineer (retired), I know that putting pressure on an outer surface, WILL affect the inner surface, by some amount. It depends on the material, the material thickness, the amount of torque on the fastener / set screw, as to how much the inner surface will be deformed. Deforming the ID of a barrel any amount is not a good thing.

As I said, my set screws are now lightly snugged, three baffles installed and a shortened spring installed..! Shooting well, no clipped baffles.



Charlie -

Sounds great. Time now for new baffles.

Hope all is well.

Mike
 
I just checked the screws on my Pulsar and my Renegade, all tight. But there are no baffles in either of my guns. The spring is at least twice as long as the diagram indicates, so apparently they were designed that way.

I did find a mangled pellet in the Renegade's shroud.

How old is your Pulsar?

Purchased from AOA Feb of 2020.


Still in warranty, both guns in the range of two years old. Mine has the synthetic stock and I know the trigger is slightly different than on the laminate stock models. This might be another difference.


 
I need to revive this thread with something you all have seen when taking off the Pulsar shroud. I removed my shroud tonight and apparently broke the o-ring that goes around the Bush (#32 in the diagram in the Pulsar manual). I think someone above called this a spring stop which it is. I have a pack of Pulsar o-rings I got from Bagnall & Kirkland. I tried to match the size of the broken o-ring to one in the pack. My matched size is a very loose fit in the o-ring groove which means it will never survive the shroud going back over it and screw-in in.

Do any of you know the size of the o-ring that goes on the #32 Bush part? Any advice about replacing that o-ring would be appreciated!
 
Got it fixed. We have an industrial supply store called HCI here. They are my go-to for fasteners, o-rings, etc. I carried the broken o-ring and my measurements to them and got fixed up with 6 o-rings (a couple of sizes in case what I though would work didn't) for the grand total of $1.29. FWIW the inside diameter of the o-ring that is #33 in the Daystate diagram is 17mm. That's the one that goes on the shroud bushing.