Premium .22 package - help me choose

For those that know me, I am rather particular and precise with everything I do. It is just one of my faults. I own a number of air rifles, all of which are now tack drivers as a result of much fun work and experimentation over a couple of decades. Some tell me that my expectations approach being unrealistic at times. I need you all to help me keep that from happening with my next air rifle purchase.

Recently I purchased a new Ken Hicks tuned RAW HM1000X LRT in .25 that produces right at 59 ft lbs of energy and will consistently shoot a 1" group at the maximum available range to me of 89 yards, with the 33.9 JSB King Heavy. Ken did a terrific job and has been great to work with. I intend to keep this rifle until I can no longer function.

For my next upgrade, I am going to sell one of my long time unregulated .22 S-510s that is a terrific shooter, opting for a more "optimum" platform just for a new and fun experiment. I have requested that Ken Hicks call me back after he gets done with his competition out West to get his opinion, but for now, I would enjoy having my friends at AGN weigh-in.

Ideally, I would like to obtain a regulated rifle, featuring some terrific "eye candy" that shoots sub 1/2" groups with the JSB/AA 18 and/or H&N Baraduca 21 grain pellets at 50 yards, somewhere in the +/- 40 ft lb range ( I will take accuracy over FPS/ME when something has to be sacrificed to get to the optimum accuracy performance level). At 100 yards, I would be satisfied with 1 1/2". The bulk of my shooting is between 35 and 75 yards, and at least for now, more targets than game - something I hope to alter when I finally get to retirement a few years out.

I like the idea of the Daystate Red Wolf, particularly to be able to shoot two weights of pellets and because of its beautiful appearance, but I am concerned about (A) the electronics holding up as I typically keep my rifles for a long time, (B) the reports of magazine issues, and (C) reports that it really doesn't shoot both the 18 grain pellets on lower power and the new 25 grain pellets on high power as well as advertised. These concerns may or may not be valid as the silent majority is often not heard. I would enjoy hearing from Red Wolf owners relative to these matters and receiving pics that support your responses.

Friends of mine own Impacts and Crowns, and while FX weapons are obviously terrific shooters with great flexibility, my friends have (A) experienced far more leakage issues and other maintenance problems than I have ever experienced with my lesser expensive air arms rifles and (B) I really don't like the feel of the non-traditional stock composition of the Impact. For these reasons, I have already ruled the FX rifles out for me, not meaning that others shouldn't be proud and really enjoy them.

So in my mind, my focus has come down to another RAW in .22, or one of the Daystate Wolverine configurations. I can'r really find much in terms of the pellet combinations and/or group photos being most successfully achieved with either the RAW or the Wolverines. The number of Wolverine configurations available makes it hard to determine what one should really focus on given my criteria, and what the realistic performance expectations should be. For example, will the regulated high power shoot 18 grain ammunition to my criteria, or will the resulting velocities be too hot? How does the Wolverine regulated high power perform with the new 25 grain JSBs? Is there a Wolverine that meets my criteria, and is it subject to the same magazine issues that have been reported on AGN? What is the experience of HM1000X RAW .22 owners, relative to best performing pellets in terms of holding a group, and at what velocities and energy levels.

While asking for your opinions as I work to establish the perfect package to take me through my upcoming retirement years, is the Sightron SIII 10-50x6- Field Target IR MOA scope at +/- $1,475  worth the money over the Hawke 6-24x56 FFP and/or AZTEC 6-25 FFP scopes that I have been so successfully shooting over the last couple of years? Again, I would be interested in receiving your thoughts.

Thanks in advance for your FREE advice offered for my reflection. I love this forum and really appreciate the number of friendships that have resulted.

DZ
 
Food for thought... I have shot a little over 6k pellets through my RW .22 hp without any problems. 25 gr. Jsb’s @ 960 FPS on high and jsb 18 gr @ 880 FPS on low power. Both shoot sub 1/2” groups at 50 yards if I do my part. 18 gr open up a bit at 75 yards. 25 gr shoot sub moa @ 100 yds if i’m on. Gun has not been monkeyed with or adjusted in any way. Took it out of the box, cleaned it and shoot it. Topped with Hawke 6-24 x 50. 
 
Well DZ. you and I are in about the same fix. Ken is going to help me resolve some of the issues you are discussing. I'll make a comment or two and I will probably make things more difficult for you.

I've owned a Wolverine rifle and sold it to buy a Red Wolf. The electronics on the Red Wolf could I guess be a concern but shooting the Red Wolf is SO nice. The electronic cocking lever and the TRIGGER are just so slick. Electronics can be fixed and or replaced and frankly if you would sit down with the two guns and shoot them back to back I think you'd be REALLY impressed with the Red Wolf. I'm not saying you'd necessarily change your mind on the purchase but you might. 

I believe all of these higher end guns will shoot great at 50 to 75 yards. I have a Red Wolf standard in 22, a Brocock Bantam Sniper HP mag in 22 (which I intend to have Ken tune for me if he will). and a Cricket 25 cal that I bought from Charlie Frear who power and accuracy tuned it prior to purchase. Right now they all shoot about the same one better then the other on any given day. Basically one hole at 50 yards. You might want to consider the Brocock over the wolverine gun. They have the power adjuster which might be important to what you are trying to accomplish. Mechanically similar to the Wolverine in they way it functions. Not a pretty as the RW or W for sure

NOW were things start to get interesting is at 100 yards. I'm sorta looking for what will give me at under or at MOA consistently at 100. Bob O and others have had great success leading the way with FX impact guns and I'll be interested in what Ken will have to say. I brought the Brocock and the Red Wolf and the Wolverine from AOA and AOA is down on FX and I'm not sure at all if it's justified. Salesman said essentially good guns after they've been back two or three times for fixes. Some of these complaints ? hard to know what's to be concerned about. I'm going to buy the gun I like and think will meet my goals and not worry about the rest of it. Daystate Brocock have good warrantee's

Finally in closing having a RAW you and I are in the same boat WHAT DO WE NEED ANOTHER GUN FOR. 😁Since you have a RAW I'd suggest you buy a Red Wolf I think you would really like the gun. I'm going to consider a RAW since I have a Red Wolf. Finally I'm going to listen to Ken carefully. Maybe we should have a conference call with Ken?? 
 
I think you need to decide on your maximum range for this .22. You mention 50 yards, but also out to 100 yards. That's basically a standard power vs. HP. I have a RAW HM 1000, an FX Royale 400, and a Red Wolf standard power, all in .22. All are great 50 yard rifles, not 100. If you want to shoot much from 75-100, I recommend getting a HP and concentrating on the heavier 25 grain pellet. The RW is interesting with the electronics, and accuracy is great. With its three power levels, it is very versatile, although honestly, I use it almost exclusively on HP with the JSB 18. The RAW is built like a tank and shoots terrific. The Royale 400 is one of the best values in the market, simple, accurate, reliable. If your use is mostly target and bench, the RAW or RW would be great. If hunting is involved, neither is my idea of a woods rifle, which the Royale can handle very well. Lots of good choices, maybe you should buy several!






 
Unless you plan to shoot FT, why buy the $1475 Sightron S3 FT scope?? I have the standard MOA-2 scope which you can find for around $1000-1100. Great for bench shooting. Or, if you just plan to shoot benchrest, the crosshair model can be found for around $750 if you are patient and check some of the more obscure scope vendors. Same glass, just different reticles. Some only focus down to 13 yards, but who cares for what these rifles are doing.
 
We used a Wolverine R HP and 2 RWs in testing the ART barrels. I really don't think the electronics should be a concern at all. My take on it is the RW is really slick to operate and meets all you criteria, including the 18 gn on low power, but the Wolverine R HP easily shot right with it. The main differences as I see it are the non adjustable stock and power. You can set it up for the 18s or 25s but not easily change it, so you'll be sticking with one pellet mostly. The trigger can be adjusted very light, but probably not quite as low as the RW, if that's a consideration. 

My wife has a Wolverine R in 177 for FT and the RW 177HP for benchrest and other stuff. I "think" she likes the Wolverine better but her RW is truly amazing. It is definitely MY favorite out of 60 or so high end rifles I have. My own RW 22HP is extremely good but the firing pulse is so much more intense that it makes it somewhat more challenging to shoot as well.

Anyway , nice dilemma to have. Not sure if I helped but both are extremely good so it comes down to the features you consider important .

Bob