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    Scrufhunter
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    Hey guys. Looking for a predator gun. I really can’t decide if I should go 25 30 or 357. I looked at the Mrod in 25 and the Bulldog. Also the Gamo/Winchester 70/35. Seems like 10-12 shots per charge is the norm?  Also I am left handed, and as far as I know the crosman are ambidextrous. I tend to like traditional riffles, but have heard the trigger on the Bulldog is as good as they get for a bullpup? Is there any other ambidextrous riffles in the same price range? Im just interested in the riffle without a scope. Also being able to fill with a hand pump is something I am looking for as there isn’t anywhere remotely close to have bottles filled

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    jp_over
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    What types of predators are you thinking about?  Fox, bobcat, coyotes?
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    I have no experience with anything above .25 but I’ve heard the 30s are very nice.  A .25 Marauder would likely do all you need unless you’re thinking about coyotes.  If so, I’d lean towards the .30 and ensure my platform was shooting MOA or 1″ at 100 yards since closer shots on the coyotes would likely be uncommon (depending on where you’re located at least).

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    Pumping a marauder is definitely manageable.  If you’re in a high humidity area moisture might become a concern.

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    Also, why no optic?  Are you trying for an increased challenge or to save funds?

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    Scrufhunter
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    I was looking for a coyote gun.  I was wanting opinions on a riffle. I don’t have access to any PCPs of that size, so trying to make a decision without handling or test firing is hard. I have plenty optics, and enough experience with optics o don’t really need advice on them. I already have a 177 marauder and pump. I don’t have access to a place to fill gun/bottles.
      The 25 I think maybe to light for coyotes, atleast here, it’s pretty open so need something that can nock them.down from distance. I am.archery hunt so if I could get in archery range I would just use my bow 50/60 yards  but them dogs are pretty weary so they put up distance pretty quick

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    “Scrufhunter”I was looking for a coyote gun.  I was wanting opinions on a riffle. I don’t have access to any PCPs of that size, so trying to make a decision without handling or test firing is hard. I have plenty optics, and enough experience with optics o don’t really need advice on them. I already have a 177 marauder and pump. I don’t have access to a place to fill gun/bottles.
      The 25 I think maybe to light for coyotes, atleast here, it’s pretty open so need something that can nock them.down from distance. I am.archery hunt so if I could get in archery range I would just use my bow 50/60 yards  but them dogs are pretty weary so they put up distance pretty quick

    
Gotcha – I’ve purchased all my last PCPs “blind” so to speak since I’ve never lived close to a high end airgun store.
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    I have hunted coyotes with a 22-250 but if I were going with a PCP I’d go with the .30.  I know of at least a couple of folks who use the AirForce Texan http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/AirForce_Texan_Big_Bore_Air_Rifle/3575/7497
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    If the Texan is out of your price range, I’ve also read good things about Hatsan’s products (this one is listed as having an ambidextrous stock):
    http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Hatsan_BT_Big_Bore_Carnivore_QE_Air_Rifle/3571/6895
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    Lastly, I found this article pretty informative and specific to airgunning for coyotes:  www.airgunsofarizona.com/hunting/2012/09/predator-hunting-the-airgunners-grand-slam/
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    I’m sure someone on the forum here has got a rig set up like you’re looking for and can weigh in with more details.
     

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    Scrufhunter
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    I’ve been wanting to give hatsan a go.
    I think the .30 hatsan is the way to go of those two. It is bolt action, but unclear if the bolt is able to be made to operate left handed. I am.wanting a repeater. I think most shots would be taken at 75 plus yards. Like I said they are pretty weary. If you stumble on one in the field they bolt and don’t stop to turn around for a good 75plus yards. 

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    “Scrufhunter”I’ve been wanting to give hatsan a go.
    I think the .30 hatsan is the way to go of those two. It is bolt action, but unclear if the bolt is able to be made to operate left handed. I am.wanting a repeater. I think most shots would be taken at 75 plus yards. Like I said they are pretty weary. If you stumble on one in the field they bolt and don’t stop to turn around for a good 75plus yards. 

    Not to muddy the water but 
Evanix also has a strong following among folks who hunt larger game (hogs are mostly what I’ve seen videos of and read about).  I think the biggest challenge you’ll face is finding a big bore repeater at a reasonable price that will allow you to reverse the bolt or purchase in a left hand configuration.  
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    This Evanix model looks interesting for a left handed shooter depending on how soon you plan on buying:  http://www.evanix.com/ibex.html
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    Last thing I thought of, and you probably know this, for coyotes a cast slug would be the best ammo choice for good killing performance.  I saw a youtube video where a guy was hunting coyotes with a .30 and the kills were not exactly clean.  Perhaps it was bad shooting but I wouldn’t trust a standard round nosed pellet on game of that size.

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    Ar15 in 223

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    zx10wall
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    .30 or 9mm Evanix Rainstorm would be a good one. Hand pumping it’s tube reservoir would be manageable. It has an ambi stock. They are known to be great hunters. You don’t really need a lefty action, you can actuate the sidelever with your right hand while keeping your left hand on the ready to fire (I shoot Southpaw also). I would personally go for a .30. Even a .25 would be good for well placed head shots.  

    https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Evanix_Rainstorm_II_PCP_Air_Rifle/2750

     

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    @ JP.  I think I may have seen that you tube vid…There is a few…. As much as I love dogs and how close they are to a pup for me to watch them roll and suffer
    @ Zx. That is a nice riffle and on sale! I think maybe I need to consider 9mm/357.
    I know most if not all shots would be taken off hand, maybe sitting. Manual safety is nice. That hatsan has an auto safety, probably a pain for a lefty. 
      It’s hard being a lefty, I had to learn to shoot archery lefty with a right bow. Lol o tried a lefty bow and felt so weird

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    zx10wall
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    The 9 mm/.357 is out of stock until May 👎🏼. The .30 is also on sale, 82 FPE and is usually more accurate than the 9 mm/.357 in most airguns I’ve read up on. 

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    TheLakeRat
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    I build alot of Bulldogs and can modify the trigger down as low as you want to go and make it very crisp. I like a trigger that suprises me when it goes off and the Bulldog is capable of that.
    I have mine regulated and with an extended reservoir can get 12 or more shots at 200FPE when filled to 4500 psi. And with a Pitbull Mega moderator it’s quieter than my 300 blackout. and powerful enough to take down large hogs. I’ve taken just about every animal that i can legally take in Texas other than a big Exotic.
    So to make it short i would highly recommend the Bulldog. It’s cheap to get into and can be built into a 300FPE gun on air or 500+ FPE on Helium

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    Scrufhunter
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    Holy cow Lake rat 500fpe!!! I have been quite fond of crosman. I know it isn’t the greatest air gun company around, but with the exception of the NP Pistol they have never let me down. I would love to try others….. I have read that the bulldogs barrel floats “to much” and really effect POI/POA…. The Gamo/Winchester 70/35 looks impressive, but seems to be right hand only. I do like manual saftys, and the flick forward in front of trigger. 
    Is it possible to fill the bulldog with a hand pump? I don’t have reasonable access to a place to fill gun/bottles.  From what I’ve seen and read the Bulldog isn’t one to put rounds in the same hole, but with that much power I’m not sure how accurate you really have to be to drop a coyote out to 75/100 yards

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    Scrufhunter
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    Wait a minute. Your the guy who owns/makes the pittbull moderator? Does your design incorporate a barrel support system?

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    tiptop
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    Hunting coyotes with an airgun that you want to hand pump and no scope?  Sounds like an exercise in futility – you must really be looking for a challenge!

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    alex2865
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    thT gamo whinchester.has a hammer gotge barrel.pretty nice gun.the bull dog is nice to.but if its a 30 a tund bwalton hTsan would be the ticket.u can get it reggd.alex

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    Scrufhunter
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    “tiptop”Hunting coyotes with an airgun that you want to hand pump and no scope?  Sounds like an exercise in futility – you must really be looking for a challenge!

    
Oh I plan on putting a scope on the riffle. I wanted info on the riffle it’s self I don’t need a hundred different scope opinions I already have enough info on optics and enough laying around…. I don’t have access to any place to fill a gun or bottles. The closest place is a few hours of driving away.Don’t want to drive 3 hrs to have a gun or bottles filled then drive 3 hrs home to shoot a gun a dozen times then  to drive 6 hrs for another dozen shots

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    Alex it’s really between that Gamo.Winchester and the Bulldog for me. The Bulldog has the left handed capabilities that the Gamo dosnt seem to have. The Gamo has a nice traditional lay out, which I am.partial to. I am partial to synthetic stocks as I always camo paint my field rihs. Hate to bang up nice furniture, but field guns get scratched. It’s almost a coin flip. I can’t hunt anything bigger than coyotes in my state. Well we can shoot hogs, but not to common to see them. They seem to be isolated in small pockets. Although I might just move to another state….. A more airgun friendly state, but there is other reasons wanting to leave this state

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    First I have to admit I don’t have experience hunting coyotes with an air rifle.  I have however taken many 100s of coyotes, fox, and bobcat (hunting for the fur market).   I have also hunted with .22 airguns for small game for many years.  With that introduction, I would definitely recommend a big bore air rifle capable of complete pass through at your maximum range.  Unless you make a headshot,  plan on tracking.   I suspect you will want a good blood trail.  Bigger holes make better blood trails.  Coyotes shot with a 40g .22 mag PSP (324fpe) through the chest usually run 75-150yards.   Some are never found.   Fox shot in the chest with a .22LR (146fpe) usually run off and can be very tough to track (lots of time lost when calling).   Point of this response is to say if you are serious about hunting coyotes with air rifles, go with the big bores.  I would probably feel confident with a .357 or larger.   I’ll probably start there or even .45 when I finally find what I’m looking for (suppressed carbine with more than a few shots per fill).  Hope these comments are helpful.

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    Guthook
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    Seneca Recluse in 9mm will make you a nice coyote gun. It is for the most part ambi except for the safety which is in the front of the trigger guard. I’m a lefty too, and have delt with issues the same as you. The safety will be a pain but workable as I am sure you know.
     The Recluse also has an excellent set of iron sights.  Power is sufficient and can be increased if tuned. Will Piatt is the man for that. He is a wizard with these guns and his prices are very reasonable. He can turn the Recluse into a beast. 
    Stock is walnut and ambi. Hand pumping is doable but with the 300.00 dollar compressors on eBay why bother.
    Hope this helps,
    Joe
     

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    @js. I am starting to lean more towards the 357. I will most likely be shooting beyond 50 yards. I am really thinking the Bulldog maybe the one…

    @guthook. That’s a nice gun. I also see the dragon claw is the same price right now, and with dual resivore. 50cal  it puts out alot of FPE.

    If I go with the bulldog I could add some flip up AR sights for backup, although tthose Senecas are pretty nice. They remind me of the old Winchester 1100s..
    A HP electric pump will be in the future. I’m going to have to wait on buying this gun for now. My fun time rig needs atleast a new head gasket, I think I cracked a head. Anyways I gotta deal with that so I can actually get to the sticks!! Lol I was ready to pull the trigger on a bigger gun…  
     

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