Power Plenum on .25 cal., 600mm slug liner and 33.5gr NS slug

This is an interesting read, I have been waiting for the PP to become available in the UK so I can replace my 30cc external plenum...

My MK1 .25 700mm was shooting the 33.5 NSA's at 980fps (140b, TP and probe mod, 7mm clearance hole in valve house, 6.25 VS, standard hammer weight, gen 1 reg)

The above mods but with 600mm ST barrel shot the JSB 25.4's at 1080fps at 145b.

Not sure ill bother now....

You are putting me in trouble. :)

To the FX company, please understand i am just relaying my experience with the gun modifications. I love my FX Impact. In fact, i love it so much that i upgraded my plenum from Impact x plenum to MKII plenum and to PP. Unfortunately, both upgrades failed to meet my mistaken expectations from what i have watch from youtube. My fault. I am not blaming anyone because i enjoy tinkering as much as the shooting. It is up to the readers if they believe what i have posted. I rest my case.

By the way, i got mine from EU. I was too excited to prepay for it without waiting for the reviews.
 
To my understanding increased plenum volume isn’t going to gain more power unless the current plenum volume is being dumped before the pellet exits the barrel. If restrictions (ports) are limiting your power you need to attack those first. If valve opening time is limiting your power you need to attack that first. Only then will you get to the point where plenum volume will have an effect on power.

On the other hand, at power settings below maximum, there might be the capability to increase efficiency with a larger plenum because a more consistent dump of air can occur at a lower reg setting allowing one to shoot to lower bottle pressures. This effectively yields more capacity from the existing bottle volume.
 
To my understanding increased plenum volume isn’t going to gain more power unless the current plenum volume is being dumped before the pellet exits the barrel. If restrictions (ports) are limiting your power you need to attack those first. If valve opening time is limiting your power you need to attack that first. Only then will you get to the point where plenum volume will have an effect on power.

On the other hand, at power settings below maximum, there might be the capability to increase efficiency with a larger plenum because a more consistent dump of air can occur at a lower reg setting allowing one to shoot to lower bottle pressures. This effectively yields more capacity from the existing bottle volume.

You are absolutely correct. But my experience shows the upgrade kit of PP “alone” will never catapult a 34 gr slug pass 900fps. As such, i will end up shooting pellets because pellets are stable than slugs at the speed that is less than 900fps. 
I doubt people bought the pp kit just for the gained number of shoots. 
 
To my understanding increased plenum volume isn’t going to gain more power unless the current plenum volume is being dumped before the pellet exits the barrel. If restrictions (ports) are limiting your power you need to attack those first. If valve opening time is limiting your power you need to attack that first. Only then will you get to the point where plenum volume will have an effect on power.

On the other hand, at power settings below maximum, there might be the capability to increase efficiency with a larger plenum because a more consistent dump of air can occur at a lower reg setting allowing one to shoot to lower bottle pressures. This effectively yields more capacity from the existing bottle volume.

You are absolutely correct. But my experience shows the upgrade kit of PP “alone” will never catapult a 34 gr slug pass 900fps. As such, i will end up shooting pellets because pellets are stable than slugs at the speed that is less than 900fps. 
I doubt people bought the pp kit just for the gained number of shoots.

I dont understand that as a stock mk2 before bigger plenum with just opening up transfer ports on barrel and probe was able to get 34gr pellets to 950 without much difficulty.
 
To my understanding increased plenum volume isn’t going to gain more power unless the current plenum volume is being dumped before the pellet exits the barrel. If restrictions (ports) are limiting your power you need to attack those first. If valve opening time is limiting your power you need to attack that first. Only then will you get to the point where plenum volume will have an effect on power.

On the other hand, at power settings below maximum, there might be the capability to increase efficiency with a larger plenum because a more consistent dump of air can occur at a lower reg setting allowing one to shoot to lower bottle pressures. This effectively yields more capacity from the existing bottle volume.

You are absolutely correct. But my experience shows the upgrade kit of PP “alone” will never catapult a 34 gr slug pass 900fps. As such, i will end up shooting pellets because pellets are stable than slugs at the speed that is less than 900fps. 
I doubt people bought the pp kit just for the gained number of shoots.

I dont understand that as a stock mk2 before bigger plenum with just opening up transfer ports on barrel and probe was able to get 34gr pellets to 950 without much difficulty.



also in .22??



i Think that the caliber is a Big factor 

if you have a .25 shooting 34gr it Will have easyer getting it to shoot at that speed then a .22 with a 34 gr becouse of the bigger size barrel.


i really just want to know what speed you can get out of a Stock impact with PP in different calibers


 
To my understanding increased plenum volume isn’t going to gain more power unless the current plenum volume is being dumped before the pellet exits the barrel. If restrictions (ports) are limiting your power you need to attack those first. If valve opening time is limiting your power you need to attack that first. Only then will you get to the point where plenum volume will have an effect on power.

On the other hand, at power settings below maximum, there might be the capability to increase efficiency with a larger plenum because a more consistent dump of air can occur at a lower reg setting allowing one to shoot to lower bottle pressures. This effectively yields more capacity from the existing bottle volume.

You are absolutely correct. But my experience shows the upgrade kit of PP “alone” will never catapult a 34 gr slug pass 900fps. As such, i will end up shooting pellets because pellets are stable than slugs at the speed that is less than 900fps. 
I doubt people bought the pp kit just for the gained number of shoots.

I dont understand that as a stock mk2 before bigger plenum with just opening up transfer ports on barrel and probe was able to get 34gr pellets to 950 without much difficulty.



also in .22??



i Think that the caliber is a Big factor 

if you have a .25 shooting 34gr it Will have easyer getting it to shoot at that speed then a .22 with a 34 gr becouse of the bigger size barrel.


i really just want to know what speed you can get out of a Stock impact with PP in different calibers


Ah hes talking about .22, that would be more difficult. 
 
Without any modification...

MK1 first generation regulator, .30 caliber...600 mm barrel....reg 150.....hammer spring adjustment wheel at max...JSB 44 grains pellets = 890 fps

Will get my PP installed soon with a 700 mm slug liner barrel and i am sure I will fine tune it and get 950 + fps with 44 grain slugs at 120-130 regulator pressure.

The only modification i plan to do is using the original 52 mm hammer spring and maybe remove 2 or 3 coils on the return valve spring bumper.

There is no other magic things .

Just make sure to fine tune your Impact properly and do not rush.

Period.
 
Without any modification...

MK1 first generation regulator, .30 caliber...600 mm barrel....reg 150.....hammer spring adjustment wheel at max...JSB 44 grains pellets = 890 fps

Will get my PP installed soon with a 700 mm slug liner barrel and i am sure I will fine tune it and get 950 + fps with 44 grain slugs at 120-130 regulator pressure.

The only modification i plan to do is using the original 52 mm hammer spring and maybe remove 2 or 3 coils on the return valve spring bumper.

There is no other magic things .

Just make sure to fine tune your Impact properly and do not rush.

Period.

Good luck. With those modifications "you mentioned only" and the PP, your jsb 44 gr will be less than 920fps (the recommended speed for slugs). I am expecting you to post your result. I and some of of the readers will follow up from you and read all your post. Your failure to post means you failed. Walk the talk..

When you max all the numbers and the limit of adjustments, is that "fine tuning"? In computer terminology, you overclock your CPU. That is not fine.


 
Without any modification...

MK1 first generation regulator, .30 caliber...600 mm barrel....reg 150.....hammer spring adjustment wheel at max...JSB 44 grains pellets = 890 fps

Will get my PP installed soon with a 700 mm slug liner barrel and i am sure I will fine tune it and get 950 + fps with 44 grain slugs at 120-130 regulator pressure.

The only modification i plan to do is using the original 52 mm hammer spring and maybe remove 2 or 3 coils on the return valve spring bumper.

There is no other magic things .

Just make sure to fine tune your Impact properly and do not rush.

Period.

Good luck. With those modifications "you mentioned only" and the PP, your jsb 44 gr will be less than 920fps (the recommended speed for slugs). I am expecting you to post your result. I and some of of the readers will follow up from you and read all your post. Your failure to post means you failed. Walk the talk..

When you max all the numbers and the limit of adjustments, is that "fine tuning"? In computer terminology, you overclock your CPU. That is not fine.


You bet i will follow with my results.
 
This is what you can expect according to Ernest.

What you can expect from a stock .25 cal 700mm with power plenum at 160b with all adjustment at max: 

1. 38.5gn slug 960fps

2. 36.2gn slug 975fps

3. 33.2gn slug 1000fps

4. 29gn slug 1040fps

5. 26gn slug 1070fps

6. 33.9gn pellet 1000fps



your speed my very with each impact have different tolerance. 52mm or 57mm hammer spring or 16mm or 18mm HSTA



Ernest


 
This is what you can expect according to Ernest.

What you can expect from a stock .25 cal 700mm with power plenum at 160b with all adjustment at max: 

1. 38.5gn slug 960fps

2. 36.2gn slug 975fps

3. 33.2gn slug 1000fps

4. 29gn slug 1040fps

5. 26gn slug 1070fps

6. 33.9gn pellet 1000fps



your speed my very with each impact have different tolerance. 52mm or 57mm hammer spring or 16mm or 18mm HSTA



Ernest


Thank you for the added info. 
I will not go beyond 150 bar for safety reason. Moreover, at 140bar, the fps will start to drop even at max hammer spring with the “stock setup and PP.” 




 
You don't need a stronger spring i think, thats what the hammer weight does. Adds inertia that can open the valve more at higher pressures. Youre running the power plenum hammer spring or your original? Original has a bit more pop i think.

I am running the Power Plenum kit. I have installed the spring from the impact x. I have not tested it yet. Will update soon. Thank you.
 
There is a major difference between the MK2 original valve and the new power plenum one.

This + the plenum + the new front spring valve + the new hammer and weight all together create a very versatile shooting tool.

More shot if this is your goal , more power if this is your goal or both.

Not to mention the low regulator pressure.

That is a real interesting combination.

Time will tell us more and how we can get the best from this multi element power plenum.

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