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    socaloldman
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    Just shot this and soo excited.   It was really dark out but wait till it gets light tomorrow morning and be amazed.  

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    Centercut
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    Nick, that’s only a two shot group. You’ll need to shoot a few more in the morning…  ;)

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    Oregun
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    Mike, as a self admitted "Grumpy Old Man" perhaps you should change your handle from Centercut to GOM    😝

    I've posted some of my lucky groups as well as 5 & 10 shots per EBR target.  Dave and I usually end our practice session with some friendly competition and score our 100 yd cards…  once and awhile we surprise ourselves and say, "with scores like that, we can make a good run at EBR"… however, most of the time it's, "aw chit!"  

    See ya at EBR!

    –Carl

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    Flintsack
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    And then there is the walk, please don’t forget about the walk. This happens when you know you’ve just shot a smokin group, preferably at 100 yards. 

    The walk is pure pleasure.  Sometimes you have to go right away to look. Sometimes you wait, but you stay away from that smoking group.  You don’t risk a shot near it!

    Its pretty funny  

    Mike 

     

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    sonny
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    I guess everyone has said enough about the topic I just wanted to thank Loren for that funny @$$ video. LMAO.

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    bubblerboy64
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    You know a fellow is in real trouble when his lawn is the most important part of his life.  Find a guy that mows more then once a week and take him to the range.  His wife will thank you cause if he’s not any happier when he gets home at least she didn’t have to deal with him for a couple hours.  

    Shooting lets out the ugly .   I’ve been hunting groundhogs with my powder burners and pest birds with my air rifles.  If I’m not doing that I’m shooting groups .  My wife loves it.  She even listens to my bragging about manly skills with my guns.  

    I pay someone to mow my grass.   I had a guy ask me the other day while I was smiling all the time . 

     

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    Chuck26287
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    Guys, as always I have a comment about this topic. I'm not trying to be argumentative, or a "prick", but I'm not sure what showing your "magic" group shows me other than your luck on one out of ??? groups, and with a 2 or 3 shot group. I do think its great that one of your groups was super tight, and I do like to see those, but how about if we're showing how accurate and precise our guns are we show all the groups shot when shooting for groups? Or say look at my best group of the day?  Of course we don't want to see the sight ins, and various other just shooting for the heck of it, but when shooting to test your gun's accuracy, or your shooting skills…  

    Case in point, this past Saturday.  I was shooting EBR targets printed out 7 ring to X ring, six per sheet of paper. I shot 5 shots per target and used one of the targets for the occasional sighter.  So I shot three sheets of paper, five "competition" targets per sheet for score.  Shot at 95 yards, breeze of about 4 to 5 mph, .30 caliber 44.75 Hatsan Vortex pellets, unsorted, un-weighed, with FX Bobcat at about 885 to 890 FPS.  My scores were 220-1x, 220-2x and 214-0x.  When you looked at the targets they all looked like five shot groups of varying sizes.

    And wouldn't you know it, ONE of the five shot groups was under 1/2" C2C. So I could have zoomed in on that group and said "look at my 1/2 MOA five shot group~!"  But, you wouldn't have seen the other 14 groups that were anywhere from 1 inch to 2.5 inches.  Maybe I'm being unrealistic, maybe not?  Maybe since I turned 61 in August I've turned into a grumpy old man…?  Just my thoughts on this…

    Threads have a topic header for a reason.  If seeing someone's "magic group" annoys you because it doesn't show what you feel should be shown, why open it and waste your time reading it and looking at the picture(s)?  Use your time on the forum reading material that actually interests you… it's a lot more productive, and let's face it… we post threads on here for the people who have interest in the subject matter, not for those who don't think our material is worth their time.  That having been said (and it reads a lot harsher than it's meant… sorry CC), here's my take on showing that single magic group.  We post them because in most cases it was a rewarding accomplishment.  We spent our time practicing and trying to improve, and that group was the best representation of that work.  I'm also a runner.  I equate my magic group to my running PR (Personal Record).  I may run three times a week.  I may be running for a rate (ie 8:45/mile) or I may be running for a best time at a fixed distance.  (ie 2.64 miles in under 20:00).  Either way, I have a PR for what I'm practicing.  I can't even come close to performing at my PR every time I run, but it tells me what I'm CAPABLE of doing, and my goal is always to beat it, even though I seldom will.

    Yes, there is luck involved in that magic group, but not as much as you think.  If you put 5 shots in 1/2" at 100 yards, it's because you are a VERY good shooter.  The luck was not your shooting skill, the luck was you got an extra few minutes of conditions that allowed you to perform at your best, and that group, even though not typical of the bulk of your groups, did show what you and your gun are CAPABLE of.  If it's the best group you ever shot at 100 yards, then take a picture of it.  Measure it.  Frame it.  Post it.  It's now your PR group.  Now go shoot just one group better than that group.  If you do, you're probably improving your skills, even though the 100 groups you shot getting to that next PR group were a fair bit larger.

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    edosan
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    I say:  show what ever group you like, 1 – 3 – 5 – 10 shot if is good is good, if is luck is luck. Is up to the viewer to determine what that group says … and what to do with that info. Luck, magic, performance, accuracy, precision is up to the viewer to conclude. Sharing whatever group you like is always good, not all have the same goal when they share. (and they should not) 

    Here is my magic @ 150m

    3 shot group…correct clicks 3 more with 62gn 0.30 cal slugs @ 940fps TJ Barrel 15mph gust wind … abracadabra! ;)

     

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    Centercut
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    Magic. Feel free to show two or three consecutive shots, or even real groups 5 shot or more. It’s up to you.  So at 150 meters you have probably about approx. 13 inch wind drift if the wind is sideways to you (90 degrees)…?  Very good shooting!

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    CampFussell
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    Chuck, I like the way you equated your running PR's to your groups. I used to run many moons ago when I was in my late 30's early 40's. Never could bust the 20 minute barrier on a 5K (3.1miles). Very humbling to watch the young bucks do it in 15 minutes or better. My PR for the 5K was 20:30 , did it on two different occasions, but I was more suited to a 24 minute 5K.

    Now it's all I can do to limp to the kitchen! LOL So, trigger time and limping back and forth to set out targets is about all the exercise I get.

    I've struggled for 5 years to shoot a sub inch group at 100 yds and now that I have a gun that will do it frequently I wonder if folks even believe it when I post the group? I almost welcomed the flyer on this group because I know no one would believe it if they didn't see me do it? Heck if that 5th shot had printed right there with the other 4 shots I wouldn't have believed it myself?

    That's the kinda magic I like. Don't know if I'll ever repeat it, but if I do…….everybody will see it! LOL

    Fuss

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    Centercut
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    Fuss, I think you guys have just about convinced me that posting a group (real group, 5 shots or more) that is a magic group for you is a good thing and we all want to see it.  Even posting two or three consecutive shots that are tight at a distance is cool (but statistically not a "group").  I like seeing them also as I said in my OP. 

     

     

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    CampFussell
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    Mike, EBR is two weeks away. You got Mr. Bobcat ready for business? Best of luck man.

     

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    Centercut
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    Thanks Fuss,

    Still not certain if I'll shoot the Bobcat or Derrick's .25 PT Cricket. probably won't decide until the weekend prior. I have this slow leak on the cat that I just can't find. I think its the valve seat/valve pin, but I replaced those and still have that slow leak.  The pressure tube doesn't leak at all when I remove it and check it overnight, so it has to be somewhere in the breech block. Its not the regulator, not the gauge assembly, sprayed soapy water on everything I can get to.  It lowers pressure about 75 bar overnight, so its not leaking to the point that it affects the gun's performance. I replaced every o-ring on the gun… 

    Last Saturday when I shot the test targets at 95 yards and scored them 220, 220, and 214, I  shot the unsorted and un-weighed Vortex pellets at 890 FPS. Still didn't feel "just right" so I lowered the reg. to 155 bar and HST to shoot at 875 FPS and will try again this weekend, and also shoot the Cricket for scores.  The Bobcat is easier to shoot, and I've had it for about 3 years, so I'm more comfortable with it.  But the .25 Heavy Mk1 has a better BC and is less affected by wind drift than the .30 pellets. I tend to get more fliers with the Cricket, but I'm not sure if its the gun, the ammo, or me… 

    It'll be ONE year that I've been shooting competition at this year's EBR, so I have a lot to learn. My first two years shooting were hunting exclusively..

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    CampFussell
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    Mike, I believe I would stick with JSB's this close to the match? You are gonna shoot JSB's at the match right?

    The Vortex are fine inside 50yds, but they seem to open up at the 100 yd mark for me? I shoot the JSB's straight from the tin.

    Hope you find the leak.

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    Centercut
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    Yes, definitely…  I just wanted to make conditions as "poor" as possible for the score shoot last Saturday, so I used the Vortex pellets and shot from a picnic table without a rear rest.  This way I define more than likely my "worst" score so I know I can as a minimum shoot those scores – unless the wind is howling of course.  I couldn't get the target out to 100 yards where I was shooting so I had to settle on 95 yards.  I'll still shoot the gun even if I don't find the leak, assuming its better than the PT Cricket, since I can fill the gun to 250 bar and watch it for an hour and only see a very slight movement of the pressure gauge. I may just send it to FX in NC after EBR instead of spending so many hours on the gun. How close are you to FX?

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    I'm about a 30 minute drive from FX USA. So far all three of my FX are holding air and behaving! LOL My 2007 year model .177 Logun was resealed there last year and it's been holding air great ever since.

    Still need to do some chrony work. And record my velocities for the Boss and the FX 500. Don't know why I'm dragging arse on that? Mosquitoes are keeping me at bay right now.

    What power is your scope set on when shooting? I use 30 power on my Sightron on the Boss and 35 power on the Sightron on the FX500. I can see the .30 cal Boss hits pretty decent at 30 power on the scope. The extra 5 power  up to 35 power on the FX 500 helps me see the .25 cal hits better. I kinda need to see the hits clearly when trying to get them in that "x" ring!

    I noticed about one stadia or mildot difference in zero from my 101 yd target to my 106 yard target. I would assume it would be close to the same from 95 yds to 100 yds. I'm using my elevation knob now for the 100 yd shots instead of hold over and can tell a difference.

     

     

     

     

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    Centercut
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    I have an Athlon Ares BTR 4.5-27×50 on the Cat at this time.  And I was shooting at 27x. I actually like the Midas TAC better that I have on my Eddy and Vulcan. 24x or 27x is enough for me to see both .30 and .25 pellet holes, even against a black background.  

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    far_shot
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    This fell out of my railroad tie butt target holder. 40 yards. 20 or more pellets I'm guessing 🙂

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    Arzrover
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    Hey Centercut… looking forward to seeing at EBR. You guys have been having some fun at LD's. I'm seeing some practice for the LRC these days…

    I like to see what people have done, even knowing it's not typical. It makes us all think it's possible , anyway. 

    I had a pretty good day a couple days ago where most everything I shot seemed to go right… using the RW 22 I used at LD's LRC. Most were on my various metal targets and paper but I went to this spinner because it was clean. 15 consecutive shots at 90 yds. Had a varying wind no more than 6 mph and using my REJECT pellets from my sorting for EBR. Like I said …. good day. Wish I could find the way to make it most days.

    See you soon,

    Bob

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    Centercut
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    Great shooting!  See you soon. 

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