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    Centercut
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    Guys, as always I have a comment about this topic. I'm not trying to be argumentative, or a "prick", but I'm not sure what showing your "magic" group shows me other than your luck on one out of ??? groups, and with a 2 or 3 shot group. I do think its great that one of your groups was super tight, and I do like to see those, but how about if we're showing how accurate and precise our guns are we show all the groups shot when shooting for groups? Or say look at my best group of the day?  Of course we don't want to see the sight ins, and various other just shooting for the heck of it, but when shooting to test your gun's accuracy, or your shooting skills…  

    Case in point, this past Saturday.  I was shooting EBR targets printed out 7 ring to X ring, six per sheet of paper. I shot 5 shots per target and used one of the targets for the occasional sighter.  So I shot three sheets of paper, five "competition" targets per sheet for score.  Shot at 95 yards, breeze of about 4 to 5 mph, .30 caliber 44.75 Hatsan Vortex pellets, unsorted, un-weighed, with FX Bobcat at about 885 to 890 FPS.  My scores were 220-1x, 220-2x and 214-0x.  When you looked at the targets they all looked like five shot groups of varying sizes.

    And wouldn't you know it, ONE of the five shot groups was under 1/2" C2C. So I could have zoomed in on that group and said "look at my 1/2 MOA five shot group~!"  But, you wouldn't have seen the other 14 groups that were anywhere from 1 inch to 2.5 inches.  Maybe I'm being unrealistic, maybe not?  Maybe since I turned 61 in August I've turned into a grumpy old man…?  Just my thoughts on this…

    Below is a card shot at 75 yards, showing six groups 4 and 5 shots all done consecutively without sighters. No magic cherry picked groups here. ;)


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    hawkeye69
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    Loren
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    Maybe!! LOL

    Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.  I always take those "great groups" as a lucky day for me or any shooter.  If someone wants to share them, great….we ALL know every target is not that good, and all days are not that lucky.

    Oh and get off my LAWN!! 

     

     

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    Centercut
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    @loren  Damn, I was just pinching a loaf! I promise I'll bring a bag later and pick it up…  ;) 

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    He must of had a bad day at the range shooting groups…lol

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    CampFussell
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    HAHA, Grumpy!!!!!!! 1/2" ctc? Lets see pics or it didn't happen? LOL

    Just messing with you Mike. Yes, old age is gettin' to ya bud!

    I like to see those magic groups, just to let me know it does happen from time to time. But as of late, I've had more magic happen with my Boss than all the other guns put together! I do wait for calm to no wind before I shoot though!

    Can't wait to read all the comments!

    Peace and magic mushroom grease

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    Sigma
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    I agree, it’s not giving an accurate representation of what the gun can consistently do by cherry picking groups.

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    avolluz
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    My question, why does it matter? Jealous, angry, grumpy? Who knows… Not I. I’ve never had a time where someone’s shot group caused me grief. Shot group envy? I guess I’ve suffered from that condition once or twice. Of course, I’m just playin’. 

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    Greenarrow
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    I think posting the magic group is just fine.  We all know that isn’t the norm so why stress over it?  Who really wants to see a 3” group?  Nothing special in that.  Just my thoughts.

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    davelarson
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    I love seeing the magic group pictures. I have some great magic groups that took many attempts to achieve. All of mine are shot off of bags, front and rear and from a solid bench with everything as perfect as I can get it. To me the magic group is just the best you’ve ever done with the rifle, and what the rifle is capable of. Take away my bags and then I’ll be a grumpy old man who can’t hit nothing! You wouldn’t be interested in seeing those groups ha ha!

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    Greenarrow
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    Hey Centercut, here is real world for ya.  Your post inspired me to pump the Streamline up (hand pumper) and shoot at a longer distance.  This is 80 yards (82 lasered).  The bigger orange targets are 3” across.  I used the large target for getting the holdover then shot the orange targets.  I went back and shot the rest of the air out at the original sighted target.  Not great but shows potential.  It was certainly fun.  Thanks for the motivation!

     

     

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    JimNM
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    With all due respect, who is the annointed  "group post boss?" This is the internet, not Sparta! 

    I have posted a magic group, and boasted about it a number of times.  It is MY accomplishment.  It is MY goal to repeat or exceed that wonderful target.  You can't take it away from me.  I shoot for me, not for anyone else.

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    Centercut
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    Didn’t mean to offend @jimnm, sorry if you felt that way. I just wanted to see what others thought about it, no more, no less. Feel free to post whatever you want, no issues. It’s the internet in the USA, not China. 

    I was pretty sure I’d get some blowback and maybe some would be butt hurt, but I posted anyway as I wanted the opinion of the forum. I probably wouldn’t have posted this if we still had red balls…  ;(

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    NMshooter
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    I believe everyone knows that you don't shoot a bullseye every time and some days you have it and some days……well you don't. That said I don't always believe it's just luck to shoot a great group. And when you do it,  this forum may be the only place to post it to get an "at-a-boy". When showing a great group to my wife, I get the response, "what am I looking at". The following picture of a group was about 2 years in the making. I was shooting 3-4 times a day. I had been a shotgunner all my life and stumbled into airguning. It took me about 2 summers to get my rifle and I tuned up. The following  5 shot group was with a .22 Marauder at 50 yards. I have saved all my measured groups starting out at .5 in down to this. So no my rifle and I don't shoot this all the time but there was a lot of trigger time going into it to finally stack 5 pellets. I can't tell you how many time one freakin pellet was just a "red one off" but this time I did it.

    I am in awe of these rifles and I think most of the motivation for posting a great group is to just say, " I freakin did it, can you believe it!". I think they are  just looking to share his/her success (however faint it is) and not to say "I'm the best shot on the forum. Notice I have only one to post

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    boscoebrea
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    I think most guns can shoot  magic groups with pellets it likes most of the time.the question is… is the  the shooter able to shoot the gun at the guns potential…..thus it is not the gun,butt what the shooter is able to get out of the gun.

      Another important part is how the shooter is "resting" the gun,,,,yep most important  for me to know….As I found out after shooting 40 years offhand then using a fold up table,heck a wobbly table is less wobbly than me on my best days shooting freehand….

      Personally I think bench shooting is cheating….please don't be getting upset with me,…now that I am doing it I find it a lot more fun and less mentally draining…….until you want to put every shot in the same hole ,then it becomes a chore all over again.

       What is important is the challenge to do the best you can and still have FUN doing it.

    Yes indeed ,I was always thinking what the BS these guys talking about ,"so accurate it is boring"until I thought it,I would never say i out loud though because it is BS in a way…..because one should be able to think of a way to challenge his skill level by doing something different,.To me it sound so rookie ….just get off your butt and shoot offhand,bet you never say those words again,,,,unless you are a very dedicated shooter,my hats off to you then

        Alright I overstayed my welcome,butt please remember I do jest and enjoy these thoughtful sessions of enlightenment.

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    L.Leon
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    @centercut, you do bring up a good point. Because you do know that our PCPs are tack drivers at 100 yards, especially in the wind. That’s why there are so many awesome groups posted. Your post is not offensive, it’s true that many of us spend a lot of time chasing those magic groups. That’s part of the fun. I’m a terrible group shooter, just don’t have the discipline. Once my gun is sighted it’s plinking and pesting time. That said these are my first attempts at grouping at 100 yards with my Bantam Sniper HR. Not cherrypicked as these are my first. I’ll cherrypick at a later date.

     

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    Centercut
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    I am in awe of these rifles and I think most of the motivation for posting a great group is to just say, " I freakin did it, can you believe it!". I think they are  just looking to share his/her success (however faint it is) and not to say "I'm the best shot on the forum. Notice I have only one to post

    OK, I get it. And see what you and Jim are saying. I guess I was just being grumpy and a little disappointed in the two and three shot (non) groups being posted. My bad. I did say I liked seeing the real groups, so I’ll keep posting also. No disrespect intended. 

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    Flintsack
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    I no longer chase the ultimate magic five shot group at various distances. I did it for years and years.  I still do it a little, if I get a good group going.

    To me a group is five shots minimum.  

     When you’re sitting at the bench or off hand or in a field target position. And you have four shots in a little tiny cluster…And then you managed to put number five right in with the rest of the group.  That’s a rush, and mainly not luck.  One summer all I did is try to shoot half inch five shot groups with PCPs at 100 yards. It was 2011. This was the magic target from that summer. This is 10 shots in a row, five on the left, and then move over and do five on the right.   A “one” at 100 yards.  Immediately followed by another one hole group about twice as big, but still crazy small.

    Not being a dick here at all because I understood the point of your original post. It’s ultimately consistency that matters. But it sure is fun to put five in one hole.

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    socaloldman
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    Keep stirring the pot Mike.   Make everyone wake up, gets the blood up and everybody is talking and smiling and laughing.   Next time we get pissed we can walk through the fresh concrete and fall down.   I don't know how those workers kept from laughing their ass off….  Get off my grass hahaha!

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    JimNM
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    @centercut – no offense taken and certainly none intended :)    The "SPARTA" comment was my effort at keeping the discussion light and slightly nerdy.

    I enjoy shooting fur a lot more than steel, and I enjoy shooting steel 10X that of paper.  Still, paper has it's place.  BTW, my groups are usually full magazine loads.

    Prod and Mrod = 8 shot groups

    Kral and FlashQE are 12 shot groups.

     

    Shoot'em good.  No matter what you shoot!

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