Poor Mans NightForce?

Got to shoot targets with my son today nice Fathers day. OK I'm 71 he's 49. Got my first look though his NightForce 4.5-14x FFP, I am impressed and may be jumping on the NF team, we will see. I have the Hawk 4-16x SFP and glass wise don't know if the price difference is there. Mine at 16x is a little foggy around the edges but at 14x clears. Close targets turning the power down I like the SSP better than the FFP., but I shoot target and hunting at 14x. Now where the NF stands out is the positive clicks, you can see(by shooting) small adjustments and the FFP the hold over are the same through the full power range Now as far as resolution I can see .22 hole in cardboard at 71 yards as EZ with both. Sure makes choosing between $450 and $1300(round about figures) tuff.
 
Once you have look thru a higher-end scope like a NightForce and tried them, it will be hard to go back. Lots of people will say some "lower-end" scope is almost the same as a high-end scope, but in reality, there is a reason for the price difference. I have a whole range of scopes from bundled deal scopes to a high-end NightForce ATACR and Vortex Razor Gen 2, from Athlon Ares to Athlon Cronus. On any given day, when you line them up side by side to compare, there will be noticeable differences, especially when you begin to test the outer limits of the scope, such as max magnification, max elevation/windage, mirage, chromatic aberration, etc... Build quality, turrets, tracking also factor in.

Honestly, I wish there was a $500 dollar scope that can perform like a $3000 scope.... that be the holy grail. But in optics, you get what you pay for. There's a reason why good high-end scopes hold their value much better than guns.
 
Centercut, 

I agree with you. Athlon scopes, in their price range for its various price points, are hard to beat. My Athlon Cronus compares favorably with my Vortex Razor Gen 2, with a much lower price point. My Athlon Ares compares favorably with the Vortex Viper Gen 2, with a much lower price point. The Athlon scopes all tend to compare favorable and punch above their weight class. 

But the OP just looked thru a NightForce and clicked on the NF's turrets. I think it is game over for him. One thing the Athlon lacks is the more positive turret clicks when compared to a NF or Vortex.


 
We each must determine our own need and use for a scope,,, the Midas Tac is more than I need

BUT, I really like mine 👍👍, it goes on my favorite gun

I was all happy and contend with my Athlon ARES, then i made the mistake of looking thru a Vortex Razor Gen 2 when I shot my friend's 6.5 Creedmoor long range.

Since then, it's been hard to look thru other scopes. From my experience, guns/rifles come and go, but the good scopes and mounts stay and gets moved from rifle to rifle. The excellent scopes get moved from rifle to rifle throughout the season. Buy once, cry once - as they say. 

Ironically, the high end scopes tend to hold value much better.
 
Centercut, 

One thing the Athlon lacks is the more positive turret clicks when compared to a NF or Vortex.

Thanks for the insight. One thing I’ll say is if you haven’t clicked the elevation turret on the Midas TAC you don’t know just how positive and tactile it really is. Don’t know about other models in the Athlon line but this one is specifically designed for clickers, and I can’t imagine it being any better...
 
Centercut, 

One thing the Athlon lacks is the more positive turret clicks when compared to a NF or Vortex.

Thanks for the insight. One thing I’ll say is if you haven’t clicked the elevation turret on the Midas TAC you don’t know just how positive and tactile it really is. Don’t know about other models in the Athlon line but this one is specifically designed for clickers, and I can’t imagine it being any better...

Actually, i have owned and clicked on most of the scopes discussed - between my airguns and powder burners. I know it is personal preference, but the best scope/turret in the Athlon range is the Cronus and the new Athlon Ares ETR. BUT, if you think it can't get any better, try clicking on a Vortex Razor Gen 2. That is a whole new level. Then, just when one thinks the Vortex Razor Gen 2 can't get any better, trying clicking on a $5k Tangent Theta scope... that, i personally still can't justify price-wise, yet. :)
 
These kind of threads are funny to me, lol??!! Not to sound demeaning or snobby BTW.

Been shooting different rifle comps most of my adult life and am a former state champion in both FT and long range centerfire steel so I know a thing or two about riflescopes.

Story - a friend shows up one day at our long range match with a H brand scope and proclaims proudly, hey man this new $400 scope is like a NF but for much less. I was already familiar with both brands. The short of it was that it broke and he sent this first scope back and received it repaired, it failed again soon after. He then demands a new replacement, it broke shortly after and received another one from the Co which he immediately sold at a loss.

The next month he bought a NF NXS 5.5 -22x56, I should say financed it because this was a ton of money for him, the NXS has never failed.

We still laugh, our circle of friends that is, about this happening, he as well. Live and learn....

But expensive scopes fail too, though usually much less in general. The clicks disappeared in my S&B 3-20x50 but the scope still held true to the mil lines on the turret, lucky me, because I won the 2018 High Desert Southwest Regional 22rf match using it.

Even among scopes and brands that compete against each in price brackets there are compromises. One Co's sacrifice might be glass quality, another the scope internals, another the feature set, while others horribly missing the do's and dont's like mixing moa and mil, etc, list goes on. Every scope is built to a spec and a budget.

The trick is to understand where the best bang for the buck actually is, the Midas TAC being firmly in there, if not #1 in a long line of.... I can think of many scopes that fall behind for different reasons and half of them are more expensive.




 
Good glass certainly can be addictive, I learned that when I upgraded my binoculars and spotting scope last year. However, as much as I’d love to own a NF I highly doubt that at the distances I shoot the NF would allow me to score any more hits than my Athlon Midas Tac or my Optisan EVX for that matter. The turrets on the Athlon Midas Tac really are excellent for the price category and I have no complaints about the glass.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t purchase a NF or something in that price range, but if I do it’s going on a long range center fire where it’s performance level could make a noticeable difference to me. Of course if my hobby budget was ludicrously larger than it currently is I’d top everything I own with a tier one optic just for the hell of it. 

So with all of that being said I think the Midas Tac is an excellent contender for the title of poor man’s NF.
 
Very interesting views. For ME fur or feathers and not targets is what I'm in for, but most of the year I'm shooting targets. I have several Leo' VXIII 5-25 30mm side focus and other mid range scopes they serve well. But clicking is not my game as I don't have time to shoot 500 kills a day to keep clicking as the game isn't sitting still that long. With the airgun it is the same story only a bit shorter ranges. 100, 50, 10, 60, 20, 80 and most of the time focus eyeball range and shoot. I don't have time to analyze read a card click and game over the rat just ducked. My comments were as I see it shooting 50 and 71 yards with my son and his GF's NightForce scopes. I do like the idea of clicking in the area of 100 plus yards as that is the bottom of the Mildot now and I don't trust the repeatability on the Hawk even though so far dialing POI has been good. As I have said before I would like to see comparisons of scopes glass with a resolution board.
 
https://www.tractoptics.com/products/riflescopes

This is a brand that it's not that well know but boy I was impressed that I bought my first ever high end scope from them I got the Toric version in 4-20x50 but the 3-15x50 at half a price I know is a great option.

My problem with the Athlon is the nylon turrets, if you want to dial in, you need metal gears. Boy I'm happy with my Tract scope, I'll do a video soon but if you search in YT you will see some people have already reviewed this scope...
 
https://www.tractoptics.com/products/riflescopes

This is a brand that it's not that well know but boy I was impressed that I bought my first ever high end scope from them I got the Toric version in 4-20x50 but the 3-15x50 at half a price I know is a great option.

My problem with the Athlon is the nylon turrets, if you want to dial in, you need metal gears. Boy I'm happy with my Tract scope, I'll do a video soon but if you search in YT you will see some people have already reviewed this scope...

I own a pair of Tract Toric binoculars. Brought them into a local binocular store and compared them side by side to Zeiss and Leica glass, they perform just as well at 1/3rd the cost. Absolutely amazing value.