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Pellet Availability Moving In Wrong Direction

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    austin870
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    Not only are there no JSB, FX or Daystate 22cal in 18.1 or 24.5 but all dealers have all now removed the "pre-order" option many had.  Only a couple even have email notifications.  It appears it has moved into a entirely different form of distribution in the last week or two… nothing and nothing coming or we have so many preorders nothing is going to hit the shelves?  Are we all supposed to load every airgun dealer's website 20 times a day hoping to get lucky that we grab them for that 15 minutes or less they will be in stock? Good luck if you have a daytime job. 

    People are really starting to feel the sting of going without so volume buying will be way up whenver some do hit the internet.  Rationing?

     

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    L.Leon
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    This threads perpetuate the notion… Seems like many, many shooters wait until they are in need of pellets, then these posts pop up. Maybe the vendors have taken as many pre orders as they can and have put a temporary halt on pre orders? Pellets are luxury, hobby items. I don't believe anyone is using pellets for subsistence hunting, that said archery is awesome in that you can reshoot your arrows. The pellet crisis will pass. Walmart and Tractor Supply are two good sources if local to you and if your PCPs like Crosman Pellets. 

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    austin870
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    I don't need any but I am trying to get a buddy into a quality PCP to have a shooting buddy.  Tractor Supply and Wally's are not going to work for a $1000 to $2000 PCP setup for 50yd plus range work.  Many of us have guns with months of tuning invested in getting a pellet to work for our purposes. 

     Fine if all you own is a Crossman 760 Pumpmaster or maybe a Gamo springer and shoot cans at 15yds.  

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    RB-AOA
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    Hello Nation

    The pellet supply chain from JSB is tough for all of us. AOA has massive orders in place however JSB production is full well into 2022. AOA is indeed rationing pellets now. This really is a tough nut to crack. 
     

    Rob. 

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    L.Leon
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    austin870

    I don't need any but I am trying to get a buddy into a quality PCP to have a shooting buddy.  Tractor Supply and Wally's are not going to work for a $1000 to $2000 PCP setup for 50yd plus range work.  Many of us have guns with months of tuning invested in getting a pellet to work for our purposes. 

     Fine if all you own is a Crossman 760 Pumpmaster or maybe a Gamo springer and shoot cans at 15yds.  

    Really? With my Bantam Sniper HR I regularly and I mean almost daily hit black walnut husks, half husk out to 64 yards consistently with 14.3 Gr. Crosman Premiers. Many kills out to 60 yards on birds. Rats out to 45-50 yards. Do they group as well as my JSB Exact Jumbo 18s? No, but the pests don’t know the difference. A good/great PCP should shoot a variety of pellets accurately (sub 3/4”) at 50 yards, if it can’t what is the point if all it can accurately shoot, is ammo you can’t buy at the moment. Gonna go shoot my 760 at cans now😀. 

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    Raden1942
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    I have a theory that many firearm shooters have felt the pinch of ammo costs and as a result we have more airgun shooters in the hobby. Also judging from the threads here I am convinced that many people have stocked up in fear that pellets would become scarce. Weather they were right or it was a self fulfilling prophecy I'll let you be the judge. However I am not throwing shade on buying pellets in bulk I have somewhere between 50,000 to 100,000 pellets between all my calibers. Anyway I'm actually encouraged by the fact that pellets are harder to find. Sure it's lame now but this means more members of the airgun community joining our ranks, more demand for guns, pellets, optics, accessories and more innovative products soon to come. If jsb can't keep ammo on the shelves they are probably making more money than they planned. How much you want to bet they get more employees, tooling and infrastructure to get more out there? Maybe new companies might fill in the void and give us more options. We will be alright. The future is bright for airguns IMO. Also CPH are accurate in many guns. They are my favorite pellet to plink with and hunt up to 50 yards. Farther when needed. The Gamo urban freaking loves them. They are my favorite pellet to use to tune guns close to where they need to be and then fine tune with Jsb. I'd say I mostly use cph. Obviously they aren't the best but they aren't trash. They fulfill a key role in my systems. Anyway they become much better after a wash and lemon pledge lube as well. Pyramydair.com has the domes available now which usually do better long range. Goodluck guys. 

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    Spray1Mark
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    If you need 18g pellets then the H&N BARRACCUDA 18 is the one to shoot, the BARRACUDDA 21g is also brilliant in both my DAYSTATE & FX rifles, H&N supply will not be a problem.

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    BigTinBoat
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    L.Leon

    austin870

    I don't need any but I am trying to get a buddy into a quality PCP to have a shooting buddy.  Tractor Supply and Wally's are not going to work for a $1000 to $2000 PCP setup for 50yd plus range work.  Many of us have guns with months of tuning invested in getting a pellet to work for our purposes. 

     Fine if all you own is a Crossman 760 Pumpmaster or maybe a Gamo springer and shoot cans at 15yds.  

    Really? With my Bantam Sniper HR I regularly and I mean almost daily hit black walnut husks, half husk out to 64 yards consistently with 14.3 Gr. Crosman Premiers. Many kills out to 60 yards on birds. Rats out to 45-50 yards. Do they group as well as my JSB Exact Jumbo 18s? No, but the pests don’t know the difference. A good/great PCP should shoot a variety of pellets accurately (sub 3/4”) at 50 yards, if it can’t what is the point if all it can accurately shoot, is ammo you can’t buy at the moment. Gonna go shoot my 760 at cans now😀. 

    Exactly my thought. Seems like most all of the "High End" guns I have owned do exactly that. My present RTI shoots like that. 18.1JSB and Crosman Ultra are single hole 25yds. Others like the 15.9, H&N's, CPHP all about 1/4-3/8" at 25yds, and 3/4" at 50yds. In the past if I had a gun that only shoots a single pellet "good" it's not staying around long.

    But all of my Taipan, Daystate, FX were multi pellet shooters just as the RTI. Now I've had a bunch of Crosman, Hatsan, AVI etc that were "picky". Yes they got tuned and were very accurate, but with just that single pellets.

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    Matt247365
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    This is getting bad. Glad I have a few pellets left.

    I think I'll start rationing so I don't run out 🙁

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    CharlieF
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    My HW44, Daystate Pulsar, Gamo Urban, BSA R10SE all shoot .5 in groups at 50yds with CPHPs.  They also shoot JSB 18s with the same groupings. The only advantage to the JSBs is they buck the wind better on a windy day. I am glad that there are plenty of austins out there who buy only JSBs. That leaves plenty of CPHPs for me @ $6.36 a tin of 500. 

     

    Sometimes I think people start threads like this to TROLL the community and see how many take the bait. Either that or they read it on the internet, so it must be true. 

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    Marley5
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    What I find disappointing is price gouging. 

    I know…..supply and demand but JSB's are getting ridiculous and my guns love them. I'm sure this crisis shall pass. 

    Oh, it's not just pellets, go price yourself a new pickle truck. They're bringing well over MSRP around here. 😳

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    Scotty1
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          Twice in the last 3 weeks I’ve gotten a heads-up in these forums and been able to purchase AA 16’s and JSB 18’s in .22.  I also have been able to get CPHP’s at wall to Walmart for $6 and change. While the Crosmans aren’t the equivalent, they work very well in low wind….very low wind, which I rarely have. My target is at 50 yards so with wind the CPHP’s can be frustrating for me. The H&N 18’s are also a good alternative. I do hope that with the increased popularity of airguns, other manufacturers will step in and capitalize on this opportunity. Chin up, ears open. Check New England Airguns, they had some available yesterday. 
    Scott 

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    Saltlake58
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    this like all shortages has many facets.  Demand is up, supply is down.  Supply chain for the vendor is down, etc.  We also have the misfortune of a single vendor producing most of the worlds pellets as JSB produces brands like FX and I believe Daystates, and many others.  So, as JSB goes, so does the world pellet supply.

    We may just be forced to  broaden our choices while we get through the shortage.  I've seen H&N available several places.  For plinking, Crosman is available.  Is Crosman my first choice?  Well, no, but if it's all that's available, I'll shoot it.

    Judging from the firearms shortage in the US, this could take another year to sort out.  As people see ammunition on the shelf, the desire to panic buy should ease up, but that takes time.  A while back,  ran into a person at a local gun store that had 15,000 rounds in reserve (yes, 15,000) and was upset that he was limited to 2 boxes on the shelf, of which he bought 2 and planned to come back later and buy 2 more.  He saw a limit and just had to max out.  Once people see pellets again in abundance, and probably at significantly  higher prices, we should see the shortage ease.  The higher prices will serve as a short term rationing system.  Local 5.56 used to cost about $.18 per round.  Now, it's $.75.  It's on the shelf, but much higher prices and no limits.  And I didn't see any buyers at that price.  It was there if you really wanted it, but not for the faint of heart.

    I expect pellets will go somewhat the same way.  I've already seen some price increases and the Buy 4 got one free sales are pretty much gone.  those initial price increases may be the first step in stopping the panic buying and restoring the market to a somewhat normal position.

    I'd say, don't expect much for another year.  sorry bout that, but that is my opinion.

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    austin870
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    BigTinBoat

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    austin870

    I don't need any but I am trying to get a buddy into a quality PCP to have a shooting buddy.  Tractor Supply and Wally's are not going to work for a $1000 to $2000 PCP setup for 50yd plus range work.  Many of us have guns with months of tuning invested in getting a pellet to work for our purposes. 

     Fine if all you own is a Crossman 760 Pumpmaster or maybe a Gamo springer and shoot cans at 15yds.  

    Really? With my Bantam Sniper HR I regularly and I mean almost daily hit black walnut husks, half husk out to 64 yards consistently with 14.3 Gr. Crosman Premiers. Many kills out to 60 yards on birds. Rats out to 45-50 yards. Do they group as well as my JSB Exact Jumbo 18s? No, but the pests don’t know the difference. A good/great PCP should shoot a variety of pellets accurately (sub 3/4”) at 50 yards, if it can’t what is the point if all it can accurately shoot, is ammo you can’t buy at the moment. Gonna go shoot my 760 at cans now😀

    Exactly my thought. Seems like most all of the "High End" guns I have owned do exactly that. My present RTI shoots like that. 18.1JSB and Crosman Ultra are single hole 25yds. Others like the 15.9, H&N's, CPHP all about 1/4-3/8" at 25yds, and 3/4" at 50yds. In the past if I had a gun that only shoots a single pellet "good" it's not staying around long.

    But all of my Taipan, Daystate, FX were multi pellet shooters just as the RTI. Now I've had a bunch of Crosman, Hatsan, AVI etc that were "picky". Yes they got tuned and were very accurate, but with just that single pellets.

    What I was trying to convey is that when the pre orders dissappeard with the powder burner ammo it was the beginning of the drought.  The dealers have massive backlogs of orders and no supply or supply dates even.  They are down to rumors, hopes and wish dates. 

     

    My area Walmarts carry 177cal 7.9gr hollow points and that is it.  Even that is on/off.  Been like that for a year now.  My Tractor Supply carries two 177cal daisy pellets and some BB's.  Been like that for years. The 22 cal CP Heavies have disappeared even in 177. Been like that for over a month now. Three months for the brown box 177. 

     

    I guess this is all subjective as is the term "good".  He is not buying a RAW to plink walnuts at 65yds.  With no other criteria you can do that OK with a 177 HW springer pretty good for $450. Same with birds and rats or 25yd groups for that matter.  Most guns, unlike Bantam Sniper with dial, you have to break it down to do more than hammer spring tweaking which is a real pain and say goodbye to the factory tune which is for 18.1 to 25.4gr pellet range or heavier.  Many of these 50ftlb high end PCP's are tuned way too hot to shoot the light pellets as they spiral and groups open up quite a bit much over 920fps in most guns.  The 22cal light pellets are closer to shooting 177 than getting the benefits of a 22cal. The light pellets are still available for a reason. If you are happy with that more power to you.  

     

    You can always lower your expectations and shooting to match the market.  

     

     

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    ctshooter
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    These posts are getting boring. You've had over a year now to get on pre-orders and have your pellet supply squared away. I've been able to stock up on a few tins here and a few tins there when they come in stock. 

    Just went to Pyramyd and looked up all .22 pellets currently In Stock and I get 25 results including some very good H&N options. Surely there is one pellet out of 25 that will work, at least decently, in a particular airgun. 

    If you've got an Eastern EU gun (ie: Taipan, Cricket, Uragan, etc) they should be very accurate with the H&N 18 and 21 gr pellets. 

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    austin870
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    ctshooter

    These posts are getting boring. You've had over a year now to get on pre-orders and have your pellet supply squared away. I've been able to stock up on a few tins here and a few tins there when they come in stock. 

    Just went to Pyramyd and looked up all .22 pellets currently In Stock and I get 25 results including some very good H&N options. Surely there is one pellet out of 25 that will work, at least decently, in a particular airgun. 

    If you've got an Eastern EU gun (ie: Taipan, Cricket, Uragan, etc) they should be very accurate with the H&N 18 and 21 gr pellets. 

    I am trying to get a new shooter in my area into a PCP to have a a shooting buddy.  He didn't have the opportunity to stock up a year ago. I just got him to commit to buying a RAW1000.  I am trying to help him out.  I hoped to not buy 25 tins of pellets with no verfied success in that gun to find something that "might" work to some undefined level. The other 19 are too light for doorstops. 

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    TMH
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    This is really a complex situation, not only for shooters but also for the pellet manufacturers and the gun manufacturers.

    It is pretty well accepted that firearms shooters have moved into airguns to continue shooting during this time of shortage/obscene prices of both factory loaded ammunition and reloading components (mostly primers). 

    But what happens when firearms ammo supply starts to catch up with demand again?  Yeah, pricing will likely be higher (at least initially), but when they can reasonably burn powder again, what proportion of new airgun shooters will sideline their new airguns and go back to their powder burners?

    For anyone who has been around long enough or has read about these shortage events, they have always been (to date) cyclic.  They are based mostly on politics and military ammo contracts, and the politics part of the equation can be so multi-faceted as it may cause new restrictive laws to go into effect, and/or cause a whole new crop of shooters to get into firearms for the first time.  As can world events (like during the COVID crisis starting last year, when a lot of the snowflakes finally woke up and realized "Wow, I guess that the Government won't really protect me like they have been saying they will.")

    But the constant in all of this has been the cyclical nature.  Folks have been heard to say that "ammo prices will never get as low as they used to be."  Sometimes this is true, but on the other hand, prices always drop when there is a surplus of supply, and ammo can get to within pennies of what it cost 'in the good old days.'

    So the pellet manufacturers, who are bright folks, will look at these repeating, cyclic, historic trends, and wonder whether to invest in additional equipment, personnel, training and factory space.  And they will see that demand (and pricing) will likely go down again as the cycle plays out.  Some powder burners will go back to exclusively burning powder as ammunition/components become available.  Some folks who shot airguns at their homes because it was something to do during COVID lockdowns will go back to their other hobbies when things normalize further.  Others will just move from airguns to their next area of interest.  Demand will slacken from its current levels.

    Equipment, personnel and factory floorspace are by no means free, and when a factory finds itself in a situation where its capacity significantly exceeds demand, it starts to lose money.  This is not a lightswitch which can be easily turned on and off.  I don't foresee pellet manufacturers making significant investments to increase capacity to deal with the current cyclic and transient surge in demand.

    Of course the other fly in the ointment regarding pellets is the ongoing worldwide logistics issues.  How many shipping containers of pellets are waiting to go onto ships, are crossing the oceans right now, or are waiting to be off-loaded at backed-up U.S. ports?  Want JSB variant (FX branded) 18.1 gr pellets?  Buy all you want at Krale right now.  They have supply, potentially because they don't have to depend on trans-oceanic shipment to get their stock.

    The last thing about this crisis is how it is affecting airgun manufacturers?  One would think that they might be selling fewer guns if folks can't buy the pellets to shoot in them (the original issue stated by the O.P. regarding a new first gun for his buddy).  But so many guns seem to be either out of stock or in very limited supply – so has airgun manufacturing volume already been decreased, or has the pellet shortage not yet impacted airgun sales?  Personally I was looking at a gun just this morning.  Of course I need another gun like another hole in my head, and this one was kind of a specialty gun (.257 cal).  Gun is available, but virtually nothing to feed it.  That made the decision for me – why purchase a new gun now if you won't be able to shoot it for months or a year?  

    The pellet shortage helped my bank account, at least for today.

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    ctshooter
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    ctshooter

    These posts are getting boring. You've had over a year now to get on pre-orders and have your pellet supply squared away. I've been able to stock up on a few tins here and a few tins there when they come in stock. 

    Just went to Pyramyd and looked up all .22 pellets currently In Stock and I get 25 results including some very good H&N options. Surely there is one pellet out of 25 that will work, at least decently, in a particular airgun. 

    If you've got an Eastern EU gun (ie: Taipan, Cricket, Uragan, etc) they should be very accurate with the H&N 18 and 21 gr pellets. 

    I am trying to get a new shooter in my area into a PCP to have a a shooting buddy.  He didn't have the opportunity to stock up a year ago. I just got him to commit to buying a RAW1000.  I am trying to help him out.  I hoped to not buy 25 tins of pellets with no verfied success in that gun to find something that "might" work to some undefined level. The other 19 are too light for doorstops. 

    Why not give him some of your pellets. Surely you thought ahead and stocked up, right?

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    dizzums
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    the direction most things are moving in is massive inflation.  .. way i see it the powers that be want a 'reset' and a reordering of the world and creating conditions that enhance demand for almost everything makes people ignore whats really happening .. and ultimately it will come down to availability of food and being able to just survive .. if they pushed things in the direction they are 'without' the artificially created high demand people would rise up and 'remove' them  … americans are still armed .. dont think for one second thats not what this is all about … getting them to ignore and allow them to get away with what theyre doing until theyre cornered .. just focus on your unbridled consuming and things will get better .. trust us ..

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    boscoebrea
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    I remember the .22 rimfire shortage,shot my pellet guns more,I remember the pellet shortage shot my BB guns more ,I remember the  BB shortage,switched to arrows.

    Tell you what I hate the water shortage…

    Yes indeed I am tired about shortage,But guess what,I do not let it get me down…Because, " Wherever There is a Will ,There is a Way".

     

    I think Raden 1942 got it……Something else,bad pellets are like an ordinary life,best to go with the flow and make things work for you.

    Shooting is FUN!! No matter what I shoot,BS included.

     

     

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