PCP guns comming to market?????

Well, you're going to stay fit pumping the .25, that's for sure! I can't answer that question either being in a similar point in my life. I had a Beeman HW55 that was all I needed to keep the property I live on free of ground squirrels. Development in the area and a neighbor with two bird feeders resulted in the "perfect storm" of ground squirrels 2009-2010. As of now I have two Marauders .22 &.25, as well as a CZs200, my Hw55, an R9, and a couple Sheridans. Can't seem to find many ground squirrels though, guess it must be the drought? 
PS-Warning! this stuff gets expensive, especially pcp stuff.
Have fun,
John

Some history of PCP'shttp://www.pyramydair.com/article/Introduction_to_precharged_pneumatics_February_2009/57

"18.13"Some history of PCP'shttp://www.pyramydair.com/article/Introduction_to_precharged_pneumatics_February_2009/57

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Damn fine read, thanks for the link!

"iride"Back in the day in the 70s I was shooting a FWB 124 , I had the Beeman catalog I read from cover to cover,
I also had a couple ood pumpers , Crossman, and maybe a few others ,
We had beer drinking party's with target shooting on the side, Great fun , great training , and big hangovers, LOL...
Remember the good matches, Yep we lit them up at 20 yards,
So what year did the PCP come to market ?
Life and all got in the way and I fell out of the information on the air guns,,,
Now being retired and the computer age I read up on some of the new guns.
30 something years of adjustments nothing could out shoot my FWB 124,
So I popped down a crazy amount of money on a 25 Marauder and a hand pump.
My eyes have seen the light, The rest is history.....
Mike

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Yes, I know what you are going through well ... my FWB 124D was a real beaut, my CI was always by my side as were my R1's, RX90's and my Crow Magnum !! and I could go on.

I then got a few Career 707's, but tank filling and the noise was a major problem where I lived so I put them aside. Got into business and the months turned into many years. Now that I'm back into it, I was very slow to the PCP thing ... what a mistake, I'm now trying to sell a lot of my older stuff.

My 22 cal Careers have had all new seals put in and they now blast pellets out and are capable off taking any pest or predator I come across. My 25 cal Sumatra does the same but buries them at the same time. I have got big into the Airforce Condors and I'm sending pellets and bullets down range faster then I ever thought possible and to the point I must be EXTREMELY careful where i shoot them ...

Ya, there is no turning back ... spring guns and gas ram guns are great and I do like them a lot, but PCP guns are in their own class for sure !

wll2506

"iride"Yea, with the PCP guns I as warned away from the 177 cal Pellet,,, with the 22 and 25 and now the 30 cal shooting in the 900 FPS bracket,
But coming down and back stops the big ones do a lot more damage, I find my self looking at the 177 Mutant, (if it excised ) as A gun that could shoot the little 177 at 30 and 45 degree angles and still come down with no damage to anything.
I maybe going backwards but I think the 177 will have a flatter arch than the big ones..

Mike

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The .177 Mutant is no longer in production. I heard it from a reliable source. That's why I went thru the trouble of getting a .177 AA S200 barrel,factory .177 conv kit and another Mutant .22 Shorty.

The flatter trajectory on a .177 is only if the pellet is travelling faster. 

It's true that some .177 guns advertise max FPS that is close to or above the speed of sound but not with accuracy. The sweet spot for accuracy is usually below 1000fps and many (or most) modern 22 cal PCP guns are more than capable of firing commonly used pellets in the 900-1000 range. 

The scenario where .177 can have an advantage is in FT or BR matches where there is a 20fpe or even a 12fpe limit. A .177 at 20fpe will shoot faster and flatter than a 20fpe 22 cal. 

Outside of competitions with power limits, a 22 shot at the same speed as the .177 has the advantage.