PayPal and friends and family?

If its not a friend or family member you trust stay clear of f&f you will get taken. 

Only use PayPal F&F with people you trust. Im not sure PayPal will cover anything gun related even if you pay their fee. If your dealing with a person you trust and have done business with in the past, there's no need to have PayPal make a profit from you. It saves the sender and the recipient some money.

F&F = you better trust who you are sending money to, because you will have no recourse if they screw you over.

Ask for an invoice, pay the 3% or whatever and the seller KNOWS they better perform or the money will be pulled back.

They do not have to specify gun on the invoice, they can list it by serial number and it's common (keep the tree huggers happy) name.



Peace

F&F = you better trust who you are sending money to, because you will have no recourse if they screw you over.

Ask for an invoice, pay the 3% or whatever and the seller KNOWS they better perform or the money will be pulled back.

They do not have to specify gun on the invoice, they can list it by serial number and it's common (keep the tree huggers happy) name.



Peace

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I've hugged many a tree without any negative impact on my love for air guns

Also, if the PayPal people find out that you're using F&F to get around paying the G&S fees, they can and will suspend your PayPal account.

Are we beating this poor dead horse again? Do a topic search for PayPal and read the numerous past discussions of this topic. It should give you hours of reading various opinions on the subject.

“there's no need to have PayPal make a profit from you.”

I don’t understand this line of thought. Do you always cheat and steal from those you do business with? PayPal is a legit legal company offering a service. Why do you think that we should not pay for that service. Why should PayPal not make a profit from us when we use their service? Friends and Family is a terrific offer from PayPal to send actual friends and family members money without fees. It is very nice of them to offer that at no charge. It is not meant to pay for products on a classifieds listing. I know that we don’t always like PayPal’s policies but that is no excuse to cheat and steal from them. Please, if you think I’m wrong please let me know. I’d love to hear your perspective on this.

How ever you pay...ALWAYS..use a credit card the guarentees a satisfactory sale so if there is a problem you can always cancel the transaction !! Most good CC companies offer this feature, stay away from second rate CC companies. I have been thru scammers on a number of ocassions over the years, but never lost one cent because I always use my Master Card. If an issue comes up you can stop the transaction even 30 days after it was made. Never trust any pay source except your own credit card!!!!

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/danger-asking-for-paypal-ff-or-x-add-on-fees/

As I said before, we have beaten this poor horse enough.

“there's no need to have PayPal make a profit from you.”

I don’t understand this line of thought. Do you always cheat and steal from those you do business with? PayPal is a legit legal company offering a service. Why do you think that we should not pay for that service. Why should PayPal not make a profit from us when we use their service? Friends and Family is a terrific offer from PayPal to send actual friends and family members money without fees. It is very nice of them to offer that at no charge. It is not meant to pay for products on a classifieds listing. I know that we don’t always like PayPal’s policies but that is no excuse to cheat and steal from them. Please, if you think I’m wrong please let me know. I’d love to hear your perspective on this.

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I think your misunderstanding what I said. I do not cheat nor steal. Your assumption couldn't be further from the truth .If I trust the person I do business with I see no reason to pay PayPal a fee. There are many people on this forum that I use F&F with. These are people I trust. These people I consider friends. You do with your money whatever you see fit. PayPal will charge you fees even if they can't help you with a claim. All they care about is tracking. If it shows delivered on the tracking they are pretty much out of the equation. 

Never, ever do PayPal friend&family when dealing with purchases online. Just never. I’ll offer to pay the 3% tax instead. 


If you get screwed PayPal won’t do anything.

No this if you use friends and family and somebody steals from you by not sending item. And it's over 1,000 dollars that's a felony that is not a walk in the park file a police report .and they will be arrested .I did 18 years selling vehicles and stuff on ebay .even though PayPal says there not liability in there sence in a court of law they would be for proof that you sent money using there network .yes you do have solid recourse.is it a Hassel yes but 99.5 % of time you will get your money and someone goes to jail.

I only use PayPal FF for in person or actual friends… I have also heard of people accepting paypal FF for a purchase but they buyer was able to get it reversed after purchasing. So be ware. 

I always felt that the 4% savings was never worth the risk. 

Hey guys, I'm new here but feel compelled to respond here.

Paypal Friends and Family terms have changed - a lot. 

It used to be free, now it's not. The fee is the same, except if you choose F&F the sender of the money pays the fee rather than the sender. 

So just straight Paypal, if you sell something, you are sent money and the fees are deducted from your incoming payment. With F&F, that is reversed.

Also in straight Paypal, there are protections for both ends of the transaction. With F&F there are no protections. 

So if you send someone money with F&F, you pay the fee up front (~3%) and if you never get the thing or service you paid for, Paypal will not assist.

This makes it truly Friends and Family, rather than a way to sell something without paying the fees.