Pard NV008p vs ATN 4K Pro

I can't speak for these two models, but I LOVE my PARD NV007A! I use it every single night with excellent results. I'm sure the NV008 will not disappoint.

To be honest that review is more than a little biased towards the Pard 008 he even states things as pretty much equal in a couple of places but still gives the check mark to the Pard.

Some people had issues with the older model ATN units crashing Expect it was mostly user error. 

The ATN matches or beats the Pard 008 in every way except for in the size and weight category. The Pard is smaller and weighs less than the ATN. These are it's only wins against the ATN. The ATN is built like a brick and is as heavy as one too.

The ATN has more than twice the battery capacity of the Pard but in the review the Pard gets the check mark. The ATN's internal battery is great and it's good for 18 hours.

They seem to be equal in screen size and clarity but the check mark went to the Pard.

The ATN has many more features including a better zoom than the Pard and they werq very well.

The Pards supplied 850nm light is junk so needs replaced immediately.

Most of us love our ATN 4K units and have no trouble with them at all.

If you need something smaller, lighter and a bit less capable than the ATN then the Pard is there for you.

Some good digital nightvison info here.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/night-vision-scope-for-hatsan-bull-boss/

 There are lots of people that have trouble formatting their cards and even choosing the correct cards to use. I expect that was the better part of the ATN crashing issue. This was more of a problem with the earlier units that the reviewer had and not the current 4K units. Never had a problem with my 4K.

If I could do without some of the features of the ATN 4K I would probly get the Pard as it is smaller and weighs so much less.

As for the zoom the Pard has one zoom power and the ATN is variable but it's all digital stuff so likely not enough to make or break the choice of one over the other.

Yup it takes me a long time to finish a post.

Started out with a DIY unit then a Photon then broke down and went all in with the ATN. Haven't got out and about with it much as yet cuz of the Chinese virus junk and being High risk. Just waiting for the day that I can do some serious pesting somewhere.

I have the ATN 4K Pro 5-20x with the latest software. I don't shoot nights, and don't use all the bells and whistles. I use mine mostly because I can view the scope image through the phone app, and don't have to try and get the scope to my eye.

What I can state is:

It doesn't crash. Never has on me.

Phone app works well and is very stable.

Mine came with an IR light which should work OK out to 50 yards, but expect to upgrade down the road if you are working longer distances.

Long battery life is great. It does actually give you 18 hours.

I use extended magnification mode and 44.5x at 10 meters puts the round reticle at 5mm in diameter.

I purchased mine at B&H using their credit card to save sales tax. It arrived in 4 days with the latest firmware already on the scope so I assume updated stock.

My one issue was when mounting the scope one of the cap screws felt like it was going to strip before hitting torque. The screw was replaced with a slightly longer screw to increase thread grab.

Rant I had a clearer longer response but the forum ate it. On a bullpup like a Veteran or a Leshly it is major top heavy and the rifle always want to cant significantly to the left. I have the ATN and am going to sell it for that reason and get a Pard, If one was shooting a full size rifle and was using on some kind of support it probably wouldn't be as big an issue. Here's the catch...I having been searching the net for a place to buy one. You can buy one now and in the fine print the delivery dates run from late November to early January. On the faster dealer sites you can put money down and get on a waiting list. Been burned with that process so now if the dealer doesn't have what I want in the store in his hands, I go elsewhere and certainly don't buy from that dealer.

Have you considered the Sightmark Wraith?

Look at the classifieds here. How many PARDS do you see here for sale? Or on any other classifieds? Now how many ATN's?

Regarding battery, internal battery on ATN vs. removable battery on PARDNV008. Dunno from further examination, but just the mention of "internal battery" scares me. Maybe me being dumb, but internal battery generally means replacement hell. Getting an 18650 per PARD is only an Amazon away.

It IS true that firing up night vision will generally drain your battery no matter what sight you use. Hey ... it takes energy, so ... yeah. At least the NV008 takes ordinary 18650 batteries(ONE), a lot easier to haul around than a rifle-mounted battery pack.

You can go to multiple review sites across the web and find ATN NV site problems ad nauseum. You don't see that with PARD. Draw your own conclusions.

What IS ACTUALLY wrong with the PARDNV008lrf(from my experience):

1. The laser range finder is not easy to zero in. It often is way off to the side in your sights, exactly as it is in physical reality. Off to your right. Too much? Depends. For sure it is more noticeable the closer you are to your target. Right up close it is off the screen. Further away its beam converges in. What you would expect really, but it is confusing and aggravating at first for sure.

2. The laser DOT SIGHT(not the lrf) is awkward to zero in, requiring a tiny wrench you probably wouldn't want to be carrying around with you for the purpose, or accidentally inhale or get lost in your beard hairs.

3. The crosshairs in general across a broad range of reviewers sets itself way to the bottom and right. So much so that a riser is frequently recommended. So far I have bought three of them trying to get it right. Two of them at $100 USD each. This is not a casual or acceptable limitation, IMO, especially on a thousand buck USD scope. Ridiculous at best, shading into warrant of merchantability legit reason for no-questions return.

4. This can get into absurdity on some rifles, like my Avenger with its split mounting rail, raising the scope so high that you have to legitimately wonder whether you want to keep the scope or the rifle. Admittedly, it is not entirely the fault of the scope that the Avenger cuts the mounting rail in half! But the PARD mounting solution isn't much help either. If you want a standard "plunk it on" visual solution, the PARDNV008/008lrf 's mounting plate ain't your guy. It's unusual to say the least. Think: Adjustments. They may be coming your way. That said, the PARDNV008lrf mounted on the LONG rail of my Cricket just fine. Just ... look at your rail and ask how flexible it is. Because the PARDNV008lrf mounting plate, and system, will only get you there if everything, including your own individual body shape(who can tell??) comes together. I'm not saying you can't mount it dangerously or in a way that ruins your eye relief or cheek posture but ...

And ... that's the thing. Maybe you should.

For all its faults, the NV008/NV008lrf is a heck of a scope/camera. The positives are already mentioned in Steve Allan's review, and they are simple and true. I believe they are of consequence. A few hours reading or less will catch you up on the competition's record of reliability and customer satisfaction, from which you can make your own guesstimate of how the product might suit you.

All of these digital scopes/scope-cameras are wonky and weird to get into. It's probably easier for a newcomer who doesn't have any biases or set habits of mind coming in. They just behave differently, and not everything is clear in the manual(s). They might take a while to get used to. And garner complaints along the way that may or may not be fair.

Anyone used the night owl optics nightshot 3x nv riflescope?

ATN X Sight LTV is small lightweight and not complicated.That’s what I am getting 

ATN X Sight LTV is small lightweight and not complicated.That’s what I am getting

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Wow wish the LTV was available when I bought my 4K Pro!



I don't have 008 but I have the 007 and 4k pro 5-20.

ATN 4k Pro good:

excellent battery life

ABL integration is awesome with advanced ballistics

Good image quality

240 frames video

Great video quality

Bluetooth/wifi phone app works pretty darn well

Good night time IR performance 



ATN 4k Pro bad:

HEAVY!!!!

Focus ring is really hard to turn especially with the whole gun being so heavy with it, need to be on bipod the whole time

I had many crashes and annoying glitches and won't even start up sometimes. seems to be better with new firmware

Did I mention it's heavy?





Pard 007 good:

Very reliable, never had a single glitch

Wifi phone app also works very well

Integrated IR that actually works really well

light!

Add onto exiting scope which is really nice!

Great optical performance because it uses the existing scope so I can see FAR and CLEAR like a regular scope during the day!

It adds zoom to your existing scope which is cool!

Pard 007 bad:

short battery life but I carry extra batteries

hard to setup on some scopes because of the eye relief/focus length

Video and image quality is only so so 

narrow field of vision if your min zoom is 4 or higher



between the 2 I prefer the 007 because I hardly use it at night and don't want a heavy scope on my guns unless I get to use it all the time. The ABL with ATN together is a very potent combo because at night it's impossible to find the range with out it. Even during the day it's freakishly accurate! Point and shoot, it's like cheating! This is the ONLY reason I still have the ATN in the parts bin and I can't seem to part with it even though I don't use it at all. Guess i'm still fantasizing that one day I'll get a night permission to kill hundreds roosting pest birds and rats.......I really need to stop watching those night time pesting youtube videos.