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Origin vs Avenger

Forums PCP Airguns PCP Airgun – Discussion Origin vs Avenger

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    cwadej
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    new guy here- so you can be a jerk since the question has been asked before, or answer like a decent person.

     

    First airgun since Red Rider 40 years ago.

    Air Venturi Avenger or Umarex Origin ?

    Avenger is $350, Origin is $350 with pump (which had bad reviews, may be fixed by now?) 

    They seem to be about the same gun, with minor differences.

    Educate me, which would you choose and why?

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    qq200758258
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    Get the avenger and buy other electric air pump, i dont think you will like to use the hand pump. But You decided how much you want to spend on pcp airgun field.

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    Pistonjohn
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    Don't ever buy a gun for the accessory comes with it. As for hand pumping, it's usually a no unless you are getting fit and won't get bored .

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    qball
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    I always walk into a room full of people I never met and tell everyone don’t be a jerk! I have made tons of friends from doing that. 

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    Crash611
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    The Avenger has a 4350 PSI fill pressure and you will need a compressor to fill it's also more tunable with having a regulator. That being said tuning requires a chronograph to see what effect the changes you make are having on the gun. AEAC has a pretty thorough video on the Avenger on You Tube.

    The Origin ( I own one) has a 3625 PSI fill pressure and works pretty well with a hand pump. After first fill it takes about 70 pumps to top it back off again. I have a $60 Amazon pump that works great the Umarex pump that came with gun worked 2 times. I rebuilt it and it worked one more time so in the garbage it went where it belongs.  Hajimoto on You Tube has a good video on the Origin that should get you dialed in fairly close without a chrono. The only adjustment on the Origin is the hammer spring and I had to back mine off 3 1/2 turns from full to get down to  870 FPS as mine came hot from the factory. Mine is also on the loud side and required a moderator/suppressor for shooting in the backyard with neighbors close by.

    Another gun to consider is the Benjamin Cayden using the AGN discount code. I own this gun as well and It has a power adjuster dial on it that dialed back to about 615 FPS ( on mine it's 1 notch from minimum) with 14.3 gr CPHP nets over 150 shots for lots of low power plinking.

    Good luck with whatever you choose as it will most likely lead to more and more expensive guns down the road very quickly.

     

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    M0ist0ne
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    Having owned both, here's my take.

    If you're new to PCP's, the origin is not a bad way to start. BUT you will quickly want to upgrade to something more adjustable after a month.

    The avenger is straight-up hard to beat from a price perspective. Especially with the wood stock version out now. The adjustability is pretty crazy at the price point and is a great intro to tuning pcp's. 

    Both rifles can be hit/miss on the QC but I had great luck with both of mine.

     

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    Big_Swede
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    I faced the same decision a few months ago and decided on the Origin. Love shooting it and the pump works great. What concerned me about the Avenger was that I would need to buy a tank and/or compressor and that adds a lot of cost. I wasn’t sure if PCPs were for me, and wanted to get started cheap. Academy Sports is selling the Origin for $299 online. Good luck with your decision. There are a ton of rifles to select from. 

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    WN0912
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    I only own 1 pcp and I love it.

    Benjamin Maximus 22 cal.

    Many people here have posted how accurate it is and they are right.  Best part, after initial pump up, refills are 44 pumps.  Easy, 2 minutes max.

    I bought a silencer for 50 bucks, and the gun is quiet and accurate.

    Downside – its a single shot.  But for the price, you can't go wrong.

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    JRisBundyboyz
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    The stock on origin is light years better and I really like how it points. It’s a good shooter as others have said. 
     

    if you get avenger I’d recommend wood stock I don’t think we have an the answer if the poppet has been fixed. But that hollow black stock is where they saved money and it shows. I won’t buy avenger unless your okay with having to replace poppet. YouTube videos have shown pyramid air and Airgun depot don’t have parts. 
     

    if you just want to shoot within 50 yards have you consider a hatsan flash? It’s quiet from factory reliable great Hunter.  Gauntlet 2 for 400 is likely to be great bench gun but that’s a compressor again. 
     

    45 handpump from Amazon works fine especially for flash it’s handpump friendly. 

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    cwadej
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    JRisBundyboyz

    The stock on origin is light years better and I really like how it points. It’s a good shooter as others have said. 
     

    if you get avenger I’d recommend wood stock I don’t think we have an the answer if the poppet has been fixed. But that hollow black stock is where they saved money and it shows. I won’t buy avenger unless your okay with having to replace poppet. YouTube videos have shown pyramid air and Airgun depot don’t have parts. 
     

    if you just want to shoot within 50 yards have you consider a hatsan flash? It’s quiet from factory reliable great Hunter.  Gauntlet 2 for 400 is likely to be great bench gun but that’s a compressor again. 
     

    45 handpump from Amazon works fine especially for flash it’s handpump friendly. 

     

    Explain this poppet issue. Explain like I have no idea what that is, because I dont.

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    JRisBundyboyz
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    If you search avenger air leaks you’ll see.  Airgun101 also has good videos explaining how pcps work. A professional YouTube video with photos showing the parts will help you.  It’s not complex nor is the problem so why they’re still selling these without an upgrade is beyond me. Just cause you have a bin full of nova liberty poppets doesn’t mean you should use them.  

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    cwadej
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    JRisBundyboyz

    If you search avenger air leaks you’ll see.  Airgun101 also has good videos explaining how pcps work. A professional YouTube video with photos showing the parts will help you.  It’s not complex nor is the problem so why they’re still selling these without an upgrade is beyond me. Just cause you have a bin full of nova liberty poppets doesn’t mean you should use them.  

     

    for some reason i cant reply to your DM (maybe due to new "enhancements" ?), and dont know how to start a new one. tell me about your Flash. can DM since i can read them

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    NickNorthGA
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    I love my avenger. Super tuneable and hasn't given me any problems. I got the first batch and have had it almost a year. Its a 22 and I can get anywhere from 20fpe to 60fpe. Duy makes replacement poppets if you feel the need to have a back up. I ended up going kinda crazy with mine porting it out, adding a much larger plenum, and carving a stock out

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