Optics,scopes,in decades of using them I have never seen so many

varied opinions on what is a good rifle scope.....

First thing to know is many of the various scopes are made in the same factories and the higher quality ones may use the same glass.

Great glass is a meticulous process and made by a few companies that sell their glass to scope manufactures.

You will often see scope manufactories say ," our top-of-line scopes use such and such glass in them ",these scope will cost a premium.

A higher quality optic brings out more nuances,a better view,easier to use and make life easier.

Are they worth it?One thing they do is help you see better....the question is how much money is it going to cost you to see better and will it be worth it.

I would ask you at what distance are you shooting at,under 50 or so yards I feel you do not need an expensive scope,that said never get a inexpensive scope inexpensive under $100 .Of course expense is relative,and when one buys a cheap scope then another slightly better scope and works their way up to a really good scope ,how much money was really spent and do not forget the time spent.

I have used $150 scopes to shoot at 100 yards for years,would a $ 700 scope help me shoot better,I will say this it would help me shoot easier.

Is better easier?Heck yea when you can afford it .Do you need it,no ,but you do need a scope good enough that does Not subtract from your shooting abilities.

The cost is up to you,bottom line is to not get frustrated by inferior equipment that hinders your ability to become a better shot....

Whew,that was hard for ADD me to write,another reason I love shooting,got to pull the trigger while I have a study sight picture.
 
Yep there is need and there is want.

My eyes NEED great glass because they progressively worsen the older I get. At 100y this summer during a match I struggled to see my 22 cal holes on a EBR card because of smoke in the air from fires. As it was i couldn't tell where I hit 1/4 the time so I did poorly. If I had mediocre glass that day it would have been hopeless.

I also need good tracking of the turrets. 

15 years ago I was ok with mid level glass but because I shot long range steel competitions from 300y to 1450y I needed a scope that tracked well if I wanted to dial elevation at all. Fortunately when I started in this discipline the cheap scope I had did have a fantastic holdover reticle which I learned to use proficiently since it tracked like dog sh!t, lol. The glass was good enough though and my vision was mostly normal back then. 

Everybody has different needs. If I was just shooting squirrels up in trees inside 25y, I could handle using a reasonable quality scope and be satisfied. 
 
yes eyebox 'can' be much better on a higher dollar scope but not necessarily .. the main thing ive noticed messing with everything from the cheapest scope on ebay up to a couple hundred dollar ones is the feel and response of the turrets is directly proportional to what you pay in most cases .. cheaper scopes can 'be set' and settle in usually to hold a good zero, but turning the turret to compensate a click or two no .. that aint happenin lol ... its liable to throw off both axis .. so, imo if you need or want that benchrest/target type of precision ... get a 500+ scope ... otherwise for 'squirrlin in the kill-zone' a cheap scope is fine, even at a distance ..
 
I’ve owned and used serval upper tier scopes in matches. Schmidt and Bender,Nightforce and now exclusively use Vortex Gen II Razors on all my rifles with the exception of on my pellet guns. From what my personal experience is, the difference in glass on $300-$700 scopes versus $2000-$4000 scopes is you get better clarity, depth of view, sharpness but the biggest difference is dusk and dawn viewing aka light gathering. As far as turrets/ mechanical is going to be repeatability on zero and tracking. Lower end scopes just don’t do this. The rest, looks, illuminated and reticle is personal preference.
 
The older u get the better glass u need. I even used 3.5 bulzeye adapters now on some of my scopes due to catracts & other eye issues. 

While expensive glass is better or supose to be. My S&B ( sold) is not as good to me as my Meoptas ( less money) . and my Razor 3-15 x 50 is more clear than the one Nightforce I had. While I liked the three marchs scopes I had ( still have one) To my eyes I think the Razor is a tad better. So guess I am saying Meopta & the Vortexs Razor are currently my favorite scopes. In the last year or so , bought a couple Vixen scopes and they are pretty good to, have one that is 2-10 x 50 I think with illuminated dot very nice glass. Got it on my wildcat. I thiink right now today if I could only have one scope it would be my Razor. 


 
varied opinions on what is a GOOD rifle scope.....



Yeah, shooting scenarios are so different that have different demands of what a "GOOD" scope is – just as the all pervasive personal preferences/ traditions/ long-ingrained customs – the latter are sometimes so strong that they overcome common sense and elect a scope that is less than the perfect or reasonable fit for the shooting scenario.... 😄 



🔶 The posts about glass quality above speak about just one of those areas where personal preferences reign high. 😉 Some shooters just look at the crosshairs, center them, and squeeze the trigger – not much concerned with the appearance of the scope image. But other shooters are bothered (even prompted to nausea, as one scope lover expressed it) by lack of sharpness toward the edges of the scope image, or a slight darkening on the edges, or chromatic aberration, or anything that makes the image appear less than totally normal. Well, the latter group will have to dig deeper into their pockets to get a "GOOD-for-them" scope.



Glass quality (and magnification) also play a role if shooter A wants to see the TARGET to hit – and shooter B wants to see the HITS on the target. Shooter A will have much lower requirements for his scopes, whereas shooter B needs a much higher quality (and magnification) to have a "GOOD" scope.



🔶 There are shooters that have a separate gun for every shooting scenario: One for stalking squirrels in the woods. One for picking pigeons off grain elevators beyond 80 yards. One for backyard pesting. One for 200y slug shooting. One for benchrest competition. One for HFT. And so on. "GOOD" for these shooters means each scope only needs to be perfectly suited for just one shooting scenario.

Then there are shooters that have just a few guns that need to do it all, so their "GOOD" scopes need to be all-round scopes. These tend to be a bit more expensive and heavier, as they need more features and would likely encompass a larger magnification range, like 4-24x, 3-21x, 4.5-27x, 3-18x, or 5-30x. 



Scopes are great fun: They do so much, and can be used in such different ways, I'm simply fascinated!! 😄 

Matthias
 
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Yes indeed,shooters look for scopes that will help them with whatever shooting scenario they have.Some shooters use the same scope for many different activities...

I want a light shorter scope with very good glass that has a forgiving "eye box".

I would never spend more money on a scope than the rifle it is on,simple reason is because I can not afford to....I usually buy all my "goods" used....maybe I have been lucky getting great deals on quality products,not,in truth my first love is knowledge and that takes time,and that time saves me a lot of money.

Matthias,you are so very right in what you have observed,I was generalizing,;in the end what is good for me may not be good for another,that said good optics is always the best choice to my mind.

Money will spent is an opinion and easier for those that can spend it,or have a goal to get it.
 
One primary difference is cheap scopes were bought at let's say $50 to $150 ten years ago. They have little resale value now and most are garage sale items especially if not mint, most popular reticle with box etc. That scope is basically an expenditure. On the other hand if you purchased a popular quality scope like a Leupold 6.5-20x40 EFR etc ten years ago for $450 you would use it for 10 years then sell it for $650 today. That is an investment.

The way I see it is do I want to look through exceptional glass for several years and not lose money or look through mediocre or poor glass and lose money? Not many other guy toys out there hold their value as well as quality optics. Can I get by with less? Yes, but what is the point? I tell the wife we are not buying more guns and scopes, we are diversifying our investment portfolio... lol

The older I get the more adament I am about quality optics.
 
I agree that the older you get, the better glass you need. The scopes that I thought were good ten years ago, I struggle with today. However, methinks the scope you can use depends on what you’re shooting at. If you’re plinking or shooting silouettes, maybe you can get by with something less. If it’s precision BR and your target is small, then you need to see it better.
 
The BEST glass in my collection I COULD NEVER AFFORD !!!! They alone are worth More than My THOMAS AIR or RAW competition rifles they get used on.

Glass is so Clear and Crisp, Bright and absolutely distortion free in ALL lighting situations. Parallax is super tight, zero backlash and even at 600 yards out it still is not bottomed out to infinity actually going to 1000 yards before bottoming out !!! Inside 100 yards scaled to a side focus wheel the ranging capabilities are nothing short of astounding. Low side is 10 meters or @ 10.2 yards. Image blurs bottomed out you got a 10 yarder, no problem.

Inherited from my shooting partner a few months ago after his sad departure from this life .... They came to me via his Will ( Actually 3 of them )

SCHMIDT * BENDER 5x25-56 PMII's which sell for @ $3800 to $4200 apiece .... Wow !!

Real deal Mil-spec TACTICAL SNIPER SCOPES that need to be experienced hands on to understand what "GOOD GLASS" really is.

I'm blessed to have been the recipient of such gear ... Would rather have my shooter partner & dear friend back given the choice :cry:
 
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I had probably 5x more scopes then I needed but my finicky preferences I learned from photography, my main hobby from back in '70's.
I never spent multiple thousand $ for a new scope or a lens, but for example I have a Nikko 12-36x60 about ten years old got it second hand and hard to find,
also for my DSLR I have one F2.8 (the best ever made) Tokina 75-135 which was discontinued back in 2010 (same from second hand), and btw I have currently 7 pieces best glass you can mount on a Canon block.
I was just more then lucky - or stubborn - to collect a best possible glass with a poor guy's wallet.