On-the-fly adjustable power .22 PCP, What's out there?

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    Oregun
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    I picked up a AA S410-SL off the forum a couple months ago.  All I can say is WOW!  The power, accuracy and build quality is unbelievable!  Beautiful walnut thumbhole stock, deep rich blueing and easy power adjustment wheel.  Yeah, it’s a keeper!  

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    aa_limited
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    THE POWER WHEEL ON THE S510 IS LOCKABLE AND WILL NEVER MOVE:)

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    ddransoml
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    @aa_limited…how do you lock it?

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    Deja
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    “aa_limited”dege.

    ​the compattico has a 3 way power adjuster and in no way compares to the versatility of the s510.
    ​and the s510 is a classic air gun. its a classic for a reason. its a quality unit.
    ​its wood and the meatal part are well made.

    its not over priced that for sure

    
Yea but its also a under performer these days. 

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    aa_limited
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    its locakable via the allen screw under the receiver. but the aa510 in confidence.

    deja. the aa510 is a quality unit. have u had any experience with the 510.
    I have 3.5 solid experience with the 510.accuracy wise and build quality I will pic the 510 over my ds air wolf any time.
    ​and you hardly ever hear of people having issues with them.

    look at the impact.. every body wants one and yet alost every one ends up on here looking for help to fix them.

    in the end after 35 years of air gun buying.. I will now use my s510 for hunting out to 150 yards my 510 is 42 foot pounds
    and my raw bm500 will be doing benchwork…

    I know I didn’t go rong in my choices.

    plus daystate customer service sucks.

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    zebra
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    Both the Cricket and Mutant are adjustable but not on the fly.

    The Mutant’s hst adjuster is locked down with additional screws when you are not using it (so it doesn’t move when you don’t want it to) but you need tools to adjust it, so probably not something I would do in the field with mine.

    The Cricket’s HST adjuster is a screw type, so not tool-less as it comes but you can buy hand-turn metal adjusters to replace the cheap plastic screw it comes with. I got mine off eBay when the plastic screw stripped.

    I probably wouldn’t adjust my Cricket’s HST on the fly either though. I set it up for a specific pellet using a chronograph and a target. If I adjusted the power, it would change the POI and I would have to re-zero 

    To do it on the fly, you would ideally want an FX-style fixed position adjuster with repeatable settings (like high, medium and low). I could partially achieve that on my Cricket by marking a few settings on the stock but I doubt I could do it with any precision without a chronograph. It doesn’t have any indentations like a Sumatra / Career 707 power wheel so the position would be an approximation.

    The adjuster on my Career 707’s turns with defined clicks like a scope turret. It’s a different animal though. I use the Career power wheel like a manual regulator because they have such a large extreme spread if you leave it on one setting for a whole string. I start at orange (medium power) and move it up a click every few shots to keep power as consistent as I can.

     

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    Oregun
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    “zebra”Both the Cricket and Mutant are adjustable but not on the fly.

    The Mutant’s hst adjuster is locked down with additional screws when you are not using it (so it doesn’t move when you don’t want it to) but you need tools to adjust it, so probably not something I would do in the field with mine.

    The Cricket’s HST adjuster is a screw type, so not tool-less as it comes but you can buy hand-turn metal adjusters to replace the cheap plastic screw it comes with. I got mine off eBay when the plastic screw stripped.

    I probably wouldn’t adjust my Cricket’s HST on the fly either though. I set it up for a specific pellet using a chronograph and a target. If I adjusted the power, it would change the POI and I would have to re-zero 

    To do it on the fly, you would ideally want an FX-style fixed position adjuster with repeatable settings (like high, medium and low). I could partially achieve that on my Cricket by marking a few settings on the stock but I doubt I could do it with any precision without a chronograph. It doesn’t have any indentations like a Sumatra / Career 707 power wheel so the position would be an approximation.

    The adjuster on my Career 707’s turns with defined clicks like a scope turret. It’s a different animal though. I use the Career power wheel like a manual regulator because they have such a large extreme spread if you leave it on one setting for a whole string. I start at orange (medium power) and move it up a click every few shots to keep power as consistent as I can.

     

    
Great point, Zebra…  I have a .25 cal Sumatra and never used the power wheel as a manual regulator.  Doh !  I gotta give that a try. Thanks for the tip!

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    Smaug
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    “aa_limited”dege.

    ​the compattico has a 3 way power adjuster and in no way compares to the versatility of the s510.
    ​and the s510 is a classic air gun. its a classic for a reason. its a quality unit.
    ​its wood and the meatal part are well made.

    its not over priced that for sure

    
Well, I disagree here. What it lacks in ‘in-between’ power levels, it makes up for in repeatability, since its few power levels are discrete, rather than variable. So for example, I could zero it for low power at 10 meters with a light pellet for target shooting in my basement and high power at 30 yards with a heavy hollow point for hunting, switch back and forth, and they would be repeatable.

    I love my Compatto, but I don’t want another nearly-identical gun, and also, the power levels don’t make any sense on the FAC .22 version. Even on my .177, medium and high power levels are too close. (17 and 19 FPE)

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    Smaug
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    Update:

    The used S510 fell through; someone else beat me to the punch. 

    I’m gonna sit tight and save my pennies for a bit, and keep my eyes open. 

    Right now, I’m thinking of:

    • Air Arms S510 FAC – $1050 in poplar, $1150 in walnut
    • Air Arms S500 FAC – $950 in walnut  (single shot version)
    • Air Arms S410 TDR – $1050 in walnut or $935 refurb (not sure about the looks, though).

    Should I just keep the HPA Hammerli 850 and add a tuned Marauder Pistol for the basement & back yard? This is kind of settling, as I’m not sure it would ever be a 1/2″ @ 50 rifle, and certainly not on-the-fly power adjustable. I think Ted got around 1″ @ 50 when he tested it.

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    dr_beretta
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    My main issue with the Air Arms TDR is that the FAC version has a low shot count and is very loud as it’s not shrouded nor does it have a threaded barrel to add a moderator. I think you’d need to purchase a slip on barrel adapter that would then let you put on a moderator. I’ve looked into it myself in the past as a potential gun but those issues kept me from buying it. 

    Unless you need fast follow up shots, the 500 series saves you some money that can be put to other accessories or better scope. 

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    Smaug
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    By the way, I watched a couple of S510 reviews last night: AEAC’s and Matt Dubber’s.

    Both reviewers found the accuracy impressive. Steve from AEAC decided to keep his, Matt already had a .177 S510 for his first PCP.

    How about cons for the S510?

    Matt said:
    – Can’t easily clean the barrel, due to the baffle design. I hadn’t though of this.
    – Shot count is not great for the air capacity, probably due to hammer bounce. He wished it was regulated.

    What cons do you guys see on this gun, besides being relatively expensive?

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    dr_beretta
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    Cleaning the barrel is easy on S500/510. 
    Take a drinking straw and split it length wise. Place it inside the end of the barrel/shroud to bypass whatever baffles are at the end of the shroud and then I take my weed eater line with a cleaning patch at the end and run it inside the drinking straw until it comes out the breech end then just remove the straw and pull the patch through. Splitting the straw allows the patch to pass through otherwise it’ll get caught at the end of the straw. 

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    aa_limited
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    cleaning the barrel on the s510 is a piece of cake. very easy. I use a pull through. takes seconds for each pull through.
    ​matt dubbers 510 is the most accurate rifle he own for shooting at 25 meters. my gun is the same 3 mm ctc at 25 meters easly. and that is for 5 shots..
    ​I’m getting over 120 shots with mine on 12 foot pounds with jsb 18 g.

    ​what the s510 lacks in repeatability in the power setting is this. when you find a sweet spot the exact speed the pellet like to travel at you can lock it down.
    the 510 allows you to shhot your gun at any speed with any pellet..
    ​it was  a feature that really stood out to me….if u want accuracy what can get better than that.

    my s510 btw is the 30th annisvery limited edition,

    heres a video of mine hope you like it.?   

     

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    ddransoml
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    AA’s mags allow pellets to fall out (o-ring isn’t snug)… And maybe issues with indexing mechanism in AA’s guns; my Galahad’s conked out after 50 shots (it’s up for reburb at Pyramydair). I went on a few UK forums and found that that mechanism is probably AA’s weakest link since it’s pretty much standard for their guns…and the mag.
    Aside from not being regulated (which you don’t even think about when shooting [it’s GREAT]) I can’t think of any thing else.

    @dr_beretta…the TDR does have a “stepped” barrel that requires a custom adapter or moderator to fit; I had NC make mine’s ($110…if I remember correct)

    Oh, one other con is that you mar the bluing taking a moderator off and on ( an adapter could probably stay on and still fit in the case ).

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    aa_limited
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    its an enclosed mag on the 510. they cant fall out unless u take the mag out of the gun and make a deleborate effort to make them fall out.
    ​and only one pellet can fall out and only if you make it happen on purpose.

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    ddransoml
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    Nothing deliberate about it, bro. I have 6 mags (3 yellow and 3 black) and ALL of them allow pellets to fall out. You “deliberately” have to keep the pellet that’s ready for chambering in the mag by misaligning the cylinder (provided you’re carrying loaded mags). Or keep a slot empty and just self cycle the next pellet when you’re ready to load. I put 6 loaded mags in my pocket I’ll guarantee there’ll be 6 loose pellets at the bottom of it when I pull the mags out…the o-ring just isn’t tight enough.

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    aa_limited
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    the rotate the magazine to where theres half of 2 chambers showing and no pellets will ever fall out again.
    try it it really works.
    ​in addition to the mags you have I have the special metal magazines as well..
    the metal magazines are a class act  but you only get them with the limited edition rifle.
    my limited edition came with 2 of them. they cycle too much better than the plastic ones.

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    ddransoml
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    I know…that’s What I meant by “misaligning the cylinder….” I mostly use the single loader from Rowan Engineering any way, though I’d love to get my hands on a few of those metal mags.

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    Birdo
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    I saw your video on the Compatto.  My compatto bantan is every bit the equal of my FX’s and my AA S510 carbine.  You will not be seeing significant differences in quality, so your case boils down to ergonomics and features.

    I like the 3 position adjuster on the FX better than the Brocock and the Air Arms.  AA has the simplest, and cheapest magazine.  The AA power adjuster is fiddly, but I dial it down and plink away in the basement, and if its hitting good, I don’t have to have the precise repeat-ability we’ve been talking about, after all, we talking hobby shooting and the main goal is to have a bit of fun.

    I don’t know about the BCA PCPs, but I did get soured on their break barrels and won’t shop them again.  BSA does look great, if this is important, AAs are beautiful.

    Watch shot counts:  FX claims high shot counts due to their amazing efficiency but this is bunk, they get their shot count with 230 Bar  which most people don’t have and is high for a hand pumper like your self.  They do get a lot on low and medium power tho.

    You could come full circle and shop 22cal from Brocock?

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    Smaug
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    Yeah Birdo, I’m starting to open my mind to other ideas. I don’t really need .22 for basement or backyard plinking, as I have plenty of .177s for that. I got into .22 originally because I wanted more oomph for raccoons and possums. I guess I’m obsessed with the idea of having one gun to do everything, when I don’t really need it. The Bantam looks ugly to me, but at first, the Compatto did too. It’s got that huge tank though, and I can’t afford a Bantam AND a tank or compressor. It would probably take 5 pumping sessions to fill that tank…

    I guess the thing to do is start researching local dive shops and fire stations and see how much a fill costs. and figure out what all fittings and such I’d need for them to charge me up. A compressor may not make much sense for me yet, as I don’t do a TON of shooting.

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